09-02-2017, 03:58 PM
Location: Sarasota/ Bradenton - University Pkwy area
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Something to think about.
6 out of every 7 flooded homes in Texas did not have flood insurance.
Many of the homeowners didn't carry flood insurance because their homes were NOT located in flood zones.
Therefore the cost of rebuilding/repairing the flood damage will be fully at the homeowners expense.
The cost of housing elsewhere while your home is being repaired is not covered by flood insurance.
60 homes in Manatee county suffered flood damage last weekend when 7+ inches of rain fell in just 2 hours. Many were located in flood zones, but not all.
If you do not now have flood insurance in place, you cannot get it to cover your home should Irma strike Florida, it has to be in place 30 days before it takes effect.
The current national flood insurance program is set to expires at the end of this month and Congress has done basically nothing about the pending expiration deadline.
The flood insurance program was already $24 billion in debt BEFORE Hurricane Harvey hit Texas.
09-02-2017, 04:07 PM
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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Who needs flood insurance if the govt, comes to the rescue after each storm. I was watching the interview before of a woman that lived directly below the 2 dams in Houston who have flood damage with no flood insurance. She said no one told her to get flood insurance. Duh
09-02-2017, 05:16 PM
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We have flood insurance (required) but it is only enough to pay off our mortgage, not rebuild. We figure if something happens that catastrophic we will still own the land, but probably would NOT rebuild here. We do have options of other places to go should that happen. I frankly have my doubts how much the insurance would pay, anyway, should the worst occur.
09-02-2017, 05:18 PM
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Ins is a rip off. I am right on the gulf and go bare blare. I have saved enough in 14 years by going bare to buy two new homes with what Ins would have cost me all them years.
09-02-2017, 05:51 PM
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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A lot of the individual behaviors cited here might revolve around the situations of the individuals involved, and the rationale for their actions -- and their political clout .
I live in the valley of the Susquehanna River (North Branch). about thirty miles downstream from Wilkes-Barre, PA, which was the single community hardest-hit in the Hurricane Agnes flooding of June, 1972; the handling of that event has served as a model for many subsequent disasters.
The valley had previously fallen victim to severe flooding, most notably in 1936, and commercial flood insurance was available, but dikes and floodwalls, supposedly up to the task, had since been built, and not many people in this working-class town saw the need for it. Suprise! -- development upriver led to more immediate runoff, which breached the dikes.
With homes destroyed, mortgages intact, and wages and salaries modest, the banks saw as much of a need for a rescue as did their debtors; so the first flood bailout was crafted. And along with it came a mapping of flood-prone land anywhere in the valley, with building restrictions and de facto mandatory insurance. The maps are periodically revised and displayed in local public buildings.
My home is still about ten feet, at least, above the maximum recorded flooding, and water dispersed over a wider area doesn't rise as high, or as quickly; but the same Wilkes-Barre politicians whose predecessors didn't expect the "Agnes flood" have raised and strengthened their floodwalls, and some down-river communities have already seen more severe flooding -- courtesy of power politics.
Best to "sleep with one's eyes open" where the politics of natural perils are involved.
Last edited by 2nd trick op; 09-02-2017 at 06:08 PM ..
09-02-2017, 06:05 PM
Location: SW Florida
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JERSEY MAN
Who needs flood insurance if the govt, comes to the rescue after each storm. I was watching the interview before of a woman that lived directly below the 2 dams in Houston who have flood damage with no flood insurance. She said no one told her to get flood insurance. Duh
There used to be a poster here whose house was damaged/destroyed (can't remember which) in "superstorm Sandy who said that a condition of accepting a FEMA grant for rebuilding or repairs after a flood, a property owner was required from then on to purchase flood insurance annually. Apparently the grant had to be paid back in the event an owner failed to buy that flood insurance. She said this was FEMA policy, and I have no reason to think this would not be the case.
In this poster's case she said she lived in an area that had only within the previous year or two been declared a flood zone by FEMA, but she had not been notified of this change, probably because she had lived there for many years and had no mortgage on the house. For sure anyone with a mortgage would be notified by their mortgage holder about the new requirement to purchase flood insurance, but I'd think it's entirely probable that an owner whose property is not mortgaged would get no such notice, and might go years without realizing the change in the FEMA flood designation for that area.
09-02-2017, 06:41 PM
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I wonder how many Texans will just walk away, leaving the banks and mortgage companies with the bill? I think a lot will have to do so.
Nationally, it will be a blip on the radar, but it hurts the individuals.
I could be wrong, but I cannot imagine Uncle Sam coming through with the money to bail out most everyone.
As to my Sarasota place, we are at about 23 feet high and a mile inland from the bay. No problems so far - I have insurance but not specific flood insurance. The house isn't worth that much anyway, so if worse comes to worse we will have a nice lot to build on.
09-02-2017, 07:11 PM
Location: Mtns of Waynesville,NC & Nokomis, FL
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FEMA ins covers 'up to $250Gs for structure' and 'up to '$100 Gs for contents'...
That 'up to' and the valuation/adjustment process is buried in mice print.
We have friends still 'recovering' from Sandy, eg not in their former house, and may never be back in/rebuilt, still doing the arm wrestle with FEMA and the gov't adjusters...
And, Congress has to reload/refund it pretty quickly.
It loses money every year like water through a sieve.
Not pitching having it/not having it. But, the OP's post sounded like an ad.
The 'average' Houston area homeowner is tied up in a econ labyrinth now. House, stuff, car(s), et al. Very sad deal.
GL, mD
09-02-2017, 08:01 PM
Location: Bettendorf, IA
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We're in the beginning stages of looking for a retirement home in Sarasota. Having lived in the Midwest all our lives, we know how quickly tornadoes strike; hurricanes give you more warning, but that doesn't help with loss of property or water damage. They are both catastrophic. Of the homes we've looked at so far, the MLS sheet shows which require flood insurance. What can you Sarasotians (is that a word?) tell me? Would you pay for it if it wasn't required? I don't like to throw money away, but also love my safety! Since we'll be retired when we move, money is a factor, too! Please give me all pros and cons. Thank you!
09-02-2017, 08:30 PM
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We're in the beginning stages of looking for a retirement home in Sarasota. Having lived in the Midwest all our lives, we know how quickly tornadoes strike; hurricanes give you more warning, but that doesn't help with loss of property or water damage. They are both catastrophic. Of the homes we've looked at so far, the MLS sheet shows which require flood insurance. What can you Sarasotians (is that a word?) tell me? Would you pay for it if it wasn't required? I don't like to throw money away, but also love my safety! Since we'll be retired when we move, money is a factor, too! Please give me all pros and cons. Thank you!
I think this depends on the total cost of your homeowners insurance.
For example, older houses can easily have a 3K yearly insurance bill (300K house) because they are not built up to current hurricane (wind damage) codes. The same house which passes the various insurance inspections might only cost $1100 a year or so.
You have to carefully read what is being insured. I think official Flood Insurance is "from the ground up" floods - that is, it doesn't cover the roof blowing out or the windows and then rain pouring in and flooding everything.
All things being equal I'd say you should try to find a home built to newer standards at least 20 feet above sea level. If you are semi-technical you can study the maps and the forecasts.
I think - when I looked - that the very worst case scenario for inland Sarasota...and this was really stretching it - was 15 feet. Realty was more like 9-10 feet (500 year). Because Florida is flat and sandy there is rarely massive amounts of water coming from "somewhere else" (dams, uphill, etc.), so that type of flooding is virtually impossible.
In order for water to reach 12-15 feet (which would still have us, at approx. tuttle, clearing it by 5+ feet), the entire area for 100's of square miles would have to be that deep. Impossible, IMHO.
Storm surges (a hurricane or wind driven wave) would be a momentary event and, again, would be unlikely to exceed 10-12 feet. Any such water would quickly drain.
Now - if you live on a barrier island it's another story.
Amazingly enough, the entire area (Tampa Bay) hasn't had many events which are even near this scope since records started in the mid-1800's.
I think the biggest were one in Tampa in the 1870's and the Hurricane Charley - the later having a storm surge of 9 feet or so on the barrier islands and 6-8 feet inland.
So there is that 8-9 feet again...in a scenario which was very close to worst case. I think that erased 1/2 mile of Captiva Island.
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People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)