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Old 11-12-2011, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Israel
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What is the material basis of Quantum Consciousness ?
Will Physics explain Consciousness?
At what step does consciousness begin?
=.
Our brain works on dualistic basis:
a) consciousness , b) unconsciousness
In his last autobiographic article, Einstein wrote:
" . . . the discovery is not the matter of logical thought,
even if the final product is connected with the logical form"
In book ‘ The Holographic Universe’ Michael Talbot
on page 160 explained this situation in such way:
‘ Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may not be
the brain that produce consciousness, but rather consciousness
that creates the appearance of the brain ’
#
In our terrestrial world the Information ( some basis of Consciousness)
can be transfer to you only by Electromagnetic waves.
Lorentz proved: there aren’t Electromagnetic waves without Electron.
Therefore I say,
only Electron can be the Quantum of Information / Consciousness.
We don’t have any other theory of Information’s transfers.
==========.
#
1900, 1905
Planck and Einstein found the energy of electron: E=h*f.
1916
Sommerfeld found the formula of electron : e^2=ah*c,
it means: e = +ah*c and e = -ah*c.
1928
Dirac found two more formulas of electron’s energy:
+E=Mc^2 and -E=Mc^2.
According to QED in interaction with vacuum electron’s
energy is infinite: E= ∞
Questions.
Why does the simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas ?
Why does electron obey five ( 5) Laws ?
a) Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass
b) Maxwell’s equations
c) Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle / Law
d) Pauli Exclusion Principle/ Law
e) Fermi-Dirac statistics
===.
#
Now nobody knows what the Electron is.
1
You know, it would be sufficient to really understand the electron.
/ Albert Einstein /
2
Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you everything.
/ One physicist /
3.
Quote by Heinrich Hertz on Maxwell's equations:

"One cannot escape the feeling that these mathematical formulae
have an independent existence and an intelligence of their own,
that they are wiser than we are, wiser even than their discoverers,
that we get more out of them than was originally put into them."
====.
Ladies and Gentlemen !
Friends !
Electron is not as simple as we think and, maybe, he is wiser than we are.
==========.
#
Evan Walker wrote:
"... indeed an understanding of psi phenomena and of
consciousness must provide the basis of an improved
understanding of quantum mechanics."
In my opinion it means that to answer to the question
‘ where the consciousness come from?’
we must understand not only the brain but electron too.
#
Once again.
Human brain works on two levels:
consciousness and subconsciousness. The neurons of brain
create these two levels. So, that it means consciousness and
subconsciousness from physical point of view ( interaction
between billions and billions neurons ). It can only mean
that the state of neurons in these two situations is different.
How can we understand these different states of neurons?
How does the brain generate consciousness?
We can understand this situation only on the quantum level,
only using Quantum theory. But there isn’t QT without
Quantum of Light and Electron. So, what is interaction between
Quantum of Light, Electron and brain ? Nobody knows.
Therefore I say:
we must understand not only the brain but electron too.
And when we understand the Electron
we will know the Ultimate Nature of Reality.
=================.
According to Pauli Exclusion Principle
only one single electron can be in the atom.
If the atom contains more than one electron
(for example - two), this atom represents " Siamese twins".
Save us, the Great God, of having such atoms, such cells.
And therefore the human brain has only one Electron.
Each of us has an Electron, but we do not know it.
As the ‘Bhagavad Gita’ says:
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form.
They do not know My transcendental nature and
My supreme dominion over all that be.
/ Chapter 9. Text 11./
#
Keynote, Luc Montagnier,
Nobel Laureate, Pasteur Institute,
Lecture:
‘ The transfer of biological information (!) through
electromagnetic waves and matter.’
#
Book: Quantum physics meets biology.
/ By Markus Arndt, Thomas Juffmann, Vlatko Vedral /
#
Michael Brooks:
‘ The laws of physics dictate that information, like energy,
cannot be destroyed, which means it must go somewhere.’
/ Book ‘ The big questions’. Page 195-196. /
#
Where is the root of consciousness?
At what step does consciousness begin?
The consciousness begins on electron’s level.
An electron (quantum of light) has its own initial consciousness.
This consciousness is not rigid, but can develop.
The development of consciousness goes
“from vague wish up to a clear thought” / Veda./
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Best wishes
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
==================.
P.S.
The world of electron.
#
But maybe these electrons are World,
where there are five continents:
the art,
knowledge,
wars,
thrones
and the memory of forty centuries.
/ Valery Brusov./
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Israel
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‘According to this view, proposed chiefly by quantum
physicists John Archibald Wheeler and Eugene Wigner,
human consciousness is the crucial missing link between
the bizarre world of electrons and everyday reality.
Such a conclusion, ironically, is very close to my own, ‘

/ Book ‘The quantum self ’ page 27. by Danah Zohar. /


‘……… if we take into account the knowledge
of modern biology, or take seriously suggestions
by philosophers and physicists like
Alfred North Whitehead and David Bohm that
even elementary subatomic particles might possess
rudimentary conscious properties.’

/ Book ‘The quantum self ’ page 35. by Danah Zohar. /
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danah_Zohar

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Old 11-12-2011, 10:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I didn't read much of your post but check out Penrose's work on the area. I think he has published a few books dealing with modern physics and the mind.
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Old 11-13-2011, 03:34 AM
 
Location: Israel
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I didn't read much of your post but check out Penrose's work on the area.
I think he has published a few books dealing with modern physics and the mind.

Thank you DrJoey
===.
#
Roger Penrose wrote that
‘ the nature of consciousness suggests a quantum process’.
Many biophysicists try to understand the brain’s work using
Quantum theory.
And I ask:
Is it possible to understand brain’s work without electron?
=.
Book ‘The quantum self ’
#
Physicist and photon are involved in a creative dialogue . . .
/ page 29/
‘. . . there is a vital link between thought processes and
quantum processes, between ourselves and electrons’.
/ page 59/
‘. . . the philosophical and psychological consequences
of such a close bond between the dinamics of the self
and those of the electron’
/ page 60/
Oxford’s Roger Penrose: ‘ Quantum physics . . . quantum
correlations could be playing an operative role over large
regions of the brain’.
/ page 61 /
‘ . . biophysicists . . . discovered that nerve cells in the
human brain are sufficiently sensitive to register the
absorption of a single photon . . .’
/ page 61 /
‘ It was clear in our discussion of the possibility that
electrons might be conscious.
/ page 78 /
‘ . . if electrons are conscious, we then have to say that they
have a mind/ body problem’.
/ page 79 /
‘ Even when disclaimers like ‘very primitive, ‘elementary’
or ‘ proto-‘ are used to discuss the consciousness of electrons . . . .’.
/ page 79 /
‘ . . . the idea that consciousness itself arises out of a
coherent ordering of virtual photon relationships in the
brain’s quantum system.’
/ page 80 /

‘ Our human consciousness, therefore, is not different
in kind from that associated with more elementary life
forms or with elementary matter, but is different in degree
and complexity.’
/ page 86 /
BTW,
‘ . . . when we speak of consciousness we speak of ‘ property’ . ..
. . .at least to some degree. . . ..’
‘ . . .many states and degrees of consciousness. ‘
/ page 37 /

/ Book ‘The quantum self ’ by Danah Zohar. /
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