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Old 01-31-2013, 03:02 AM
 
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...188843001.html

Quite an amazing story.........
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:19 PM
 
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An update to the story

www.sayanring.com/glossary/the_old_believers_eng
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Old 02-01-2013, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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That was an interesting article, thank you for posting it

The thing I find funny is, up until WWII, there was no grid in many places, large areas of this country didn't have power which is ostensibly why the Rural Electrification program was enacted.

There are still large parts of the world with little or no access to electricity.

Prior to 1900, there were a lot of people that lived without regular access to stores or towns, or even other people.

How can it be that in just a couple of generations, we have come to be so dependent on provided services that either we can't live without them, or we find stories about people that do live without them to be extraordinary?

Electricity, mass production of consumer goods, factory farms and dairys are efficent ways to feed and provide for the masses, but it is a relatively new system.

In 1900, 1 farmer could produce enough to feed 10 people, in 2012, a single farmer produced enough to feed 100. Better practices, fertilizers, hybrid seeds, mechinization all make each individual capable of producing more with less labor so more people can live in a city instead of producing their own sustinance.
Econ 2305: One farmer in 1900 could feed 10 ...

In the 150 years since the American War Between the States we have gone from soldiers charging with single shot muzzleloading rifles, to supersonic jets that can fly halfway around the world and drop a nuclear bomb.
From Telegraph to cell phones, horse drawn carriage to the Rolls Royce Silver Cloud, from doctors that stuck their unwashed fingers into the wound canal in Abraham Lincoln's head looking for the bullet to MRIs and CAT scans.

We have made unbelieveable advances, but have lost a lot of our ability to adapt and overcome to provide for ourselves by ourselves.

It is a judgement call of the individual which one is better or worse, personally, I like a mix of old and new...

JUST KEEP THOSE DANG TEXTERS FROM DRIVING AND TEXTING AT THE SAME TIME!!!
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Old 02-01-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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That was an interesting article, thank you for posting it

The thing I find funny is, up until WWII, there was no grid in many places, large areas of this country didn't have power which is ostensibly why the Rural Electrification program was enacted.

There are still large parts of the world with little or no access to electricity.

Prior to 1900, there were a lot of people that lived without regular access to stores or towns, or even other people.

How can it be that in just a couple of generations, we have come to be so dependent on provided services that either we can't live without them, or we find stories about people that do live without them to be extraordinary?

Electricity, mass production of consumer goods, factory farms and dairys are efficent ways to feed and provide for the masses, but it is a relatively new system.

In 1900, 1 farmer could produce enough to feed 10 people, in 2012, a single farmer produced enough to feed 100. Better practices, fertilizers, hybrid seeds, mechinization all make each individual capable of producing more with less labor so more people can live in a city instead of producing their own sustinance.
Econ 2305: One farmer in 1900 could feed 10 ...

In the 150 years since the American War Between the States we have gone from soldiers charging with single shot muzzleloading rifles, to supersonic jets that can fly halfway around the world and drop a nuclear bomb.
From Telegraph to cell phones, horse drawn carriage to the Rolls Royce Silver Cloud, from doctors that stuck their unwashed fingers into the wound canal in Abraham Lincoln's head looking for the bullet to MRIs and CAT scans.

We have made unbelieveable advances, but have lost a lot of our ability to adapt and overcome to provide for ourselves by ourselves.

It is a judgement call of the individual which one is better or worse, personally, I like a mix of old and new...

JUST KEEP THOSE DANG TEXTERS FROM DRIVING AND TEXTING AT THE SAME TIME!!!
Good post. A lot of what you talk about here is what scares me about our species and the direction it's going. I question, in many cases, whether things are "better" than they used to be, in the long run (I'm not talking EVERY little detail, so... certain posters... please spare me your pet points). There has always been collectivism, but there has not always been mass, mandated, collectivism with no alternative.

But, not much I can do about it other than either laugh or whine. As the old line goes from the movie "Airplane"... looks like I picked the wrong week to ******* ... which I can just change to, "Looks like I picked the wrong century to be born."
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Old 02-01-2013, 02:09 PM
 
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Touching story, by the way! Thanks for posting it.

I got a kick out of the "sin of television" paragraph. I could just envision the girl peaking around the corner at the television as she watches... and repents for watching it. Pretty funny...

Speaking of the "sin" of cinema, this story would make a great movie.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Touching story, by the way! Thanks for posting it.

I got a kick out of the "sin of television" paragraph. I could just envision the girl peaking around the corner at the television as she watches... and repents for watching it. Pretty funny...

Speaking of the "sin" of cinema, this story would make a great movie.
Not enough car chases or fist fights to be worthy of Hollyweird
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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Given the ages that some of these people lived to, it makes you wonder if our modern life is that much better, after all. I'm assuming they had no medical or dental care, breathed smoky wood ash for most of the year, ate inadequate diets, and knew little of modern hygiene. Yet they survived and did well, relatively speaking. Some might cite such a life as being too harsh, but I suspect that human flesh, like that of animals, adapts to its surroundings. I am not so sure that they thought of their own lives as being harsh. Perhaps God watches out for such wildlings. Certainly they had no problems with big government, before discovery! Freedom exacts its own tribute, and they paid theirs.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:50 PM
 
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no medical or dental care, breathed smoky wood ash for most of the year, ate inadequate diets, and knew little of modern hygiene
Sounds like my daughter's boyfriend's kin, and they live just down the road!
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