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Old 10-09-2014, 11:47 AM
 
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for food, and that's if you're just lounging around. If yuo are working hard, scared, etc, add another 2 squirrels or 1 rabbit and if it's cold and your'e out in it, add another rabbit or 2 squirrels. Such animals have little fat in summer and none in winter. When "living rough" worried/stressed, you need 3000 calories a day for a large man to not lose weight Just walking burns 300 calories per hour and if you are working hard or are being pursued, you'll burn much more than if just walking.

So missing the occasional (running) rabbit (with a silenced .22 ) is really no worse than a single shot shotgun's lacking a 22 autos repeat tries greater range and the noisy shotgun running off game. You'll needa deer a month, (or 2 elk per year or one moose) along with traps, trotlines, fish poison, snares, bird lime, and a lot of wild edible plants (or stored food).

An unchoked 410, 3" barrel, won't reliably take game beyond 20 yds. Ditto 35 yds for the unchoked 12 ga. (and birdshot). With a muzzloader, you lose another 5 yds of effective range, cause the wadding scatters the shot a bit and there's no shot collar (as exists with modern shotshells). That aint much range, given all the noise, bulk, weight and expense.

.22's can be found for 8c a shot, if you look around, and how many would you ever need for survival hunting, hmm? Bill Moreland took a deer a month with his 22 rifle. (average) Since it was a single shot and he only had 50 rds to his name and he was scared to enter town to get more rds(and had no money) you can bet that he took only brain shots from less than 50 ft away. :-)
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Old 10-10-2014, 08:25 AM
 
Location: mid wyoming
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Learn trapping and snaring for game. Works for you 24/7/365 and is mostly silent.
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Old 10-10-2014, 09:20 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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And when 350 million people are looking for (and shooting at) squirrels?
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Old 10-10-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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And when 350 million people are looking for (and shooting at) squirrels?


how about if I just go out and butcher another steer on my property? yes I do have a walk in freezer to handle the meat and I do have my own means for powering that freezer.
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Old 10-10-2014, 03:35 PM
 
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how about if I just go out and butcher another steer on my property? yes I do have a walk in freezer to handle the meat and I do have my own means for powering that freezer.
Now there is a better idea.

And there are probably 100 dozen better ideas than relying on shooting squirrels to survive. One would probably have more success digging for worms.
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Old 10-10-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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Apparently garvan doesn't know that squirrels and rabbits normally have worms for several months of the year and are not edible.

Yea, put me down for a ribeye please.
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Old 10-10-2014, 05:09 PM
 
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mmmmmmmm,squirrels!!!!!
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Old 10-12-2014, 08:18 AM
 
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I imagine that if you are being pursued through the woods you won't have a lot of time to stop and go squirrel hunting. Nor would you want to give the pursuers an idea as to your location by shooting things.
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Old 10-13-2014, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Back at home in western Washington!
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for food, and that's if you're just lounging around. If yuo are working hard, scared, etc, add another 2 squirrels or 1 rabbit and if it's cold and your'e out in it, add another rabbit or 2 squirrels. Such animals have little fat in summer and none in winter. When "living rough" worried/stressed, you need 3000 calories a day for a large man to not lose weight Just walking burns 300 calories per hour and if you are working hard or are being pursued, you'll burn much more than if just walking.

So missing the occasional (running) rabbit (with a silenced .22 ) is really no worse than a single shot shotgun's lacking a 22 autos repeat tries greater range and the noisy shotgun running off game. You'll needa deer a month, (or 2 elk per year or one moose) along with traps, trotlines, fish poison, snares, bird lime, and a lot of wild edible plants (or stored food).

An unchoked 410, 3" barrel, won't reliably take game beyond 20 yds. Ditto 35 yds for the unchoked 12 ga. (and birdshot). With a muzzloader, you lose another 5 yds of effective range, cause the wadding scatters the shot a bit and there's no shot collar (as exists with modern shotshells). That aint much range, given all the noise, bulk, weight and expense.

.22's can be found for 8c a shot, if you look around, and how many would you ever need for survival hunting, hmm? Bill Moreland took a deer a month with his 22 rifle. (average) Since it was a single shot and he only had 50 rds to his name and he was scared to enter town to get more rds(and had no money) you can bet that he took only brain shots from less than 50 ft away. :-)
Aside from the worms / parasites that both these animals have that might make them inappropriate as a constant food supply...

I have always heard that rabbits / squirrels / gophers / etc... are almost all protein when eaten. A constant exclusive diet of them can cause muscle break-down (essentially, you can starve to death if you only eat these critters as your meat source).

Ok in the short term, but I would want to secure a better food supply than wild rodents that may cause me more harm then good.
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Old 10-13-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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If you are going to depend strictly on rabbits, squirrels, and deer for food, you are going to starve. Without the knowledge to grow a garden, learn to can what you grow, and possibly raise some chickens an other livestock, you won't last very long. There will not be enough animals to support all the people hunting them anyway. Stop and think, this isn't the eighteen hundreds, and when we finally do have a financial collapse, everyone and his dog will be out foraging for food. Millions of people will starve because they have no knowledge of obtaining food, except that which is at their local food store. I suspect there a many people that don't know how to cook and prepare food it they had it. It will be too late to learn the government can't take care of you, you will have to fend for yourself...
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