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[quote=lvmensch;53570762 Probably comes from childish viewpoint.[/QUOTE]
I've been a realist all my 75 yrs and not about to change now. I've seen fools come and go trying to chase the market or time it. The market will ALWAYS tell us.
... Socialism in this country started with LBJ, not FDR. And socialism will fail here too.
I think you have that backwards.
Johnson had his "Great Society" legislation which expanded civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, aid to education, the arts, urban and rural development, public services and his "War on Poverty".
But none of that equaled FDR's New Deal programs including the Securities and Exchange Commission, the National Labor Relations Act, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and Social Security.
Johnson had his "Great Society" legislation which expanded civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, aid to education, the arts, urban and rural development, public services and his "War on Poverty".
But none of that equaled FDR's New Deal programs including the Securities and Exchange Commission, the National Labor Relations Act, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and Social Security.
At best LBJ was a mini-FDR.
Old widows fund wasn't designed to live on solely - it became so under LBJ.
We are in the stone-age, those are the ramifications. Civilization's reliance and dependence on electricity is downright frightening. I've lived several weeks without power (Japan earthquakes) and trust me, people get rude and turn ugly real quick. Gas stations don't have gas, cell phone towers don't work, no tv or internet or heating, etc.
You absolutely want to be armed and prepared for such a scenario.
It's very simple really. You can't be a superhero in a prepper fantasy world without dire consequences to contend with.
Who's living in the fantasy world here is questionable. The prepper OR the other guy who seems not to understand the implications of living in the Middle Ages again?
Really the question to ponder is this: Is EMP a real potential crisis or is it some artificial last-resort scenario meant to "transform" America just in case nothing else better works?
Last edited by Led Zeppelin; 11-15-2018 at 08:52 AM..
Actually, that was the butt of the joke about this topic. The "GRID" is a DISTRIBUTION network which has absolutely nothing to do with the ability to GENERATE electricity.
That's why some are making fun a people who are running around in fright over the "grid" as if it means the end of electricity. That's like saying if the water mains are shut off everyone will die of thirst because there will be no water. If the water mains are dry, there are still thousands of sources of water. So, even if the "grid" goes down, people can still produce electricity. There is this thing called solar, or wind, or hydro, or even biomass to name a few. All of them can produce electricity. Even if the "grid" is down that doesn't mean we can't still operate generating plants in a small limited fashion to provide power packing.
I believe this should have been about an EMP taking out unprotected components and not the "grid" going down so we can't start our cars. However, it was entertaining reading from those who jumped on the No Electricity bandwagon without even questioning that no grid doesn't mean no electricity. It's almost as if the mere mention of some doomsday prediction caused them to get all aroused and have an orgasm and couldn't rationally think. Now do you see why some are poking fun at this while thing?
You're still not thinking this through all the way. Yes. There will be water in the ponds, rivers, ocean, puddles under your window. BUT - imagine RIGHT NOW what you would do if you had to rely on these alternatives to your faucet. Say.... hiking a mile to the river (maybe throught the woods) EVERY DAY to wash your clothes, get enough to cook with, to drink. I guess you'll get a bunch of empty jugs to carry the water home maybe.... or you'll soon figure out that it's just easier to pitch a tent next to the river with maybe 100,000 other people who decided the same thing. Or maybe you live in Nevada or New Mexico where the nearest lake is 100 miles away. Or just 15 miles away. Or just 5 miles away. Somebody in a wheelchair could handle 5 miles a day, right? Through the desert?
And then you get dysentary or malaria or parasites from the untreated water.... and so you have to be carried on a litter 12 miles to the nearest hospital. Or you die. Or you wait a week for somebody you know to come get you in their old fashioned pickup truck... once they can get ahold of some gas.... provided they turn down your offer to barter them something of value, like your radio or your hunting rifle.
.... what's it like without the power grid? Well, it's like living in modern day North Korea or most of Africa or South East Asia outside the cities.
But the problem is, you aren't accustomed to this. And you wouldn't do much better than anyone else suddenly dropped into a radically new alien scenario with no advance preparation. But I'd wager that it'd be more difficult for a modern day American to live day to day like an Amazonian rain forest tribesman than it would be for an Amazonian rain forest tribesman to live in modern day America... generally speaking.
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its not so much COULD people live without electricity? yes they could, but would they WANT to? is more the question you should be asking.
when you have someone who all their lives all they had to do was flick a switch to get power, learning to adapt to living without it may just not be possible.
its not so much COULD people live without electricity? yes they could, but would they WANT to? is more the question you should be asking.
when you have someone who all their lives all they had to do was flick a switch to get power, learning to adapt to living without it may just not be possible.
I think it's more that everybody would WANT to live, but many COULD NOT hack it without electricity, because they wouldn't have time to adapt. And I think it would be worse in the urban world than in the rural world, generally speaking. Dropping 21st century Americans into the Middle Ages with no advance prep or acclimatization would be... difficult... for most of them at the very least.
I think it's more that everybody would WANT to live, but many COULD NOT hack it without electricity, because they wouldn't have time to adapt. And I think it would be worse in the urban world than in the rural world, generally speaking. Dropping 21st century Americans into the Middle Ages with no advance prep or acclimatization would be... difficult... for most of them at the very least.
This.
Our urban areas are FAR ABOVE the resource availability and skill level for the same amount of people living at this moment that would be able to survive no matter how hard they try in a long term grid down/EMP scenario.
We are the "smartest" generation ever but the majority of us wouldn't survive if we were suddenly all teleported to 1880 at the exact same time. We don't have the skills or experience, our neighborhoods cities and towns are not built or designed to function without electricity and services.
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