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Old 04-18-2017, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Early America
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CRASH AND BURN?

Boeing Co warned employees on Monday it planned another round of involuntary layoffs that would affect hundreds of engineers at its commercial airplanes unit...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boein...--finance.html
. . . .
[CRACKED CRYSTAL BALL FLAG ON]
There appears to be an indication of a imminent RECESSION, if not DEPRESSION.
. . . .
Boeing has many problems and runs almost as inefficiently and wasteful as the government. My daughter is an engineer there. She is not being laid off but it wouldn't matter if she were as she was recruited recently by another firm for a higher position. She's only 27 so Boeing was an excellent stepping stone for her. I would be surprised if ANY engineers view Boeing as anything other than a stepping stone given its layoff history. She has already sold her house; received offers over asking within 24 hours of listing, and will be out of there within a few weeks for greener pastures. This is a good time to leave that area.
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Old 04-19-2017, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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What Remedies would you propose?
[] Your ideas here . . . .
-or-
[] (BACK OFF ! None of your business!)
What Would Wise Ants Do?
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
To prosper before, during and after the SHTF, the Wise Ant suggests :
__ Disengaging from the socialist democratic system, ["withdraw consent"]
__ End all entanglements with contracts for usury, ["debt free"]
__ Establish a domicile upon "private property" absolutely owned, [not to be confused with a residence on "real estate"]
__ Engage in harmless activities that generate surplus usable goods and services, ["to trade and build prosperity"]
__ Accumulate a 24 month supply, hidden from Gestapo Grasshoppers, who will take whatever they can.

Best Case Scenario

Wise Ant joins up with other wise ants to form a cooperative community, and constructs a fortified village - or at the least - a fortified refuge for the community.

The coming bad times will not be pleasant for the average ant, overburdened with socialist taxes, and without liberty. The roaming marauders will not be stymied by the weak government, left after the economic collapse.

Beware predators, parasites, plunderers and pirates, regardless of their camouflage. Tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.
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Old 04-19-2017, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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__ Accumulate a 24 month supply, hidden from Gestapo Grasshoppers, who will take whatever they can.
I have long advocated caches, which need not be underground. To keep your stash all in one place, esp if that one place is your home, is a huge mistake. Anything that looks like "food storage", if kept in your home, will alert intruders that there's more to be had, somewhere.

If you store dry food in buckets or totes, that will look like "food storage" to an intruder or gov't goon, and will be confiscated. Even worse, the residents may be interrogated, or tortured, into confessing where the rest of it is. This material does NOT belong in your home.

All dry foods in buckets or totes should be stored in several places, all of them off the home base. Anything stored at home should look like "normal" foods - canned goods, refrigerated items - that would be expected to be found in the average home. And not too much of it.

Same goes for those 8 cartons of TP, fuels (gas, kerosene, diesel, propane), tools, guns, purified drinking water, and a supply of meds. If you keep all of this at your house, expect to lose it, or die trying to defend it. I say, walk away from the house if you need to - and get to live another day with cached supplies that only you know the locations of.
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Is this an indicator of economic health or collapsing medium of exchange?


The Average Cost of One-Bedroom Apartments in 50 Major U.S. Cities | Mental Floss

AVERAGE RENT IN 50 CITIES
*** ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT ***
San Francisco, California $3600
San Jose, California $2536
New York, New York $2200
Washington, DC $2172
Boston, Massachusetts $2025
Los Angeles, California $2014
Miami, Florida $2000
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania $1850
Honolulu, Hawaii $1795
Seattle, Washington $1795
San Diego, California $1760
Anaheim, California $1606
Chicago, Illinois $1595
Denver, Colorado $1436
Minneapolis, Minnesota $1435
Nashville, Tennessee $1395
Atlanta, Georgia $1387
Houston, Texas $1308
New Orleans, Louisiana $1298
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania $1295
Dallas, Texas $1271
Charlotte, North Carolina $1265
Baltimore, Maryland $1175
Tampa, Florida $1100
Austin, Texas $1100
Portland, Oregon $1095
Anchorage, Alaska $995
Sacramento, California $995
Virginia Beach, Virginia $975
Phoenix, Arizona $909
Jacksonville, Florida $896
Las Vegas, Nevada $875
Newark, New Jersey $850
Memphis, Tennessee $835
San Antonio, Texas $830
Kansas City, Missouri $795
Omaha, Nebraska $759
Colorado Springs, Colorado $750
Milwaukee, Wisconsin $750
Louisville, Kentucky $750
Columbus, Ohio $750
Indianapolis, Indiana $732
Albuquerque, New Mexico $715
St. Louis, Missouri $700
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma $650
El Paso, Texas $600
Tuscon, Arizona $560
Detroit, Michigan $550
Cleveland, Ohio $525
Wichita, Kansas $470
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Old 04-21-2017, 04:16 AM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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Looks like a supply and demand, free-market list to me! The bottom 25 to 30% is quite reasonable. This is what happens when people flock to the cities in search of $$$. Out where I live, there are no apartments. There are some hippies shacked up in the back of an old reefer truck. Don't know that they pay any rent at all. I do know they don't earn over minimum wage, when they bother to work at all. Too busy with their organic gardens.

If you want to live where the trendy people live, you gotta pay the price.
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Old 04-21-2017, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Looks like a supply and demand, free-market list to me! [look closer!] The bottom 25 to 30% is quite reasonable. This is what happens when people flock to the cities in search of $$$. Out where I live, there are no apartments. There are some hippies shacked up in the back of an old reefer truck. Don't know that they pay any rent at all. I do know they don't earn over minimum wage, when they bother to work at all. Too busy with their organic gardens.

If you want to live where the trendy people live, you gotta pay the price.
"THEY" punked us real good.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm
● How much U.S. currency is in circulation?

● There was approximately $1.5 trillion in circulation as of February 22, 2017, of which $1.47 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes.

U.S. Population (2017) : 326,474,013
>>> $4,502.65 per capita <<<

AVERAGE RENT IN 50 CITIES
*** ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT ***
San Francisco, California $3600
San Jose, California $2536
New York, New York $2200
Washington, DC $2172

Do you notice something "odd"?
That to pay rent of a one bedroom apartment, in these top tier locations, one would have to acquire a far larger share of currency than exists.

Ex: San Francisco, CA $3600 x 12 = $43,200 per annum.
9.6 times the per capita amount of currency.

Even at the lowest level, it's still "odd."
Wichita, Kansas $470 x 12 = $5640 per annum.
125% of the per capita amount of currency.

When this game of "Musical Chairs" stops, many many folks will fall down hard.
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Old 04-22-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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"THEY" punked us real good.
Mebbe so, but I remember those billboards in the 1940s-50s (yeah, I go back that far ) with an American family in a car, and it read, "Highest Standard of Living in The World!".

The billboards were right then, and they're still right. I'm not buying the BS that Sweden, or Norway, or one of those EU countries, is living better. They are just 'socially engineered', and we all know which toilet drain the EU is circling, don't we?

For all the tax money they've taken from us, for all the depreciation of our dollars, for all the Wall St fatcats living large on our investments, for all the police-state socialism they're trying to ram down our throats, for all the corporate advertising we endure.... we still have it better here than anywhere else in the world.

Kwitcherbellyakin. There's a thread here about California leaving the Union. It won't, but if it did, you should consider going with them. Mad lot of malcontents out there, too....
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Old 04-22-2017, 10:45 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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What Remedies would you propose?
My philosophy has not changed: sufficient provisions and resources (with skills to use them) in a location that is either unknown to the miscreant class or is perceived by the miscreant class as not worth the effort to acquire said provisions. In my estimation, this is best accomplished not by overwhelming firepower (the tallest blade of grass is the first cut and there's always someone out there with more firepower), but via long distances, inhospitable conditions, a very low profile, and a perceived lack of worth. When was the last time you went hunting brown-crested flycatchers for your stew pot? Oh? And why don't you hunt them? (point: be the little-noticed brown-crested flycatcher)

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In the event of a collapse, I think the first thing that will happen is that the powers that be will look for a class of people to blame.
The powers that be (government/"news" media) and pop culture.

Based on recent trends and history, we know exactly which class(es) that/those will be.



Editor's note: yes, I know, it's been a long time. But I'm not often on the net these days. It's the 1880s in me.
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Old 04-22-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Mebbe so, but I remember those billboards in the 1940s-50s (yeah, I go back that far ) with an American family in a car, and it read, "Highest Standard of Living in The World!".
[In reference to the rest of the post war world, it wasn't hard to achieve.]
The billboards were right then, and they're still right. [I disagree]
I'm not buying the BS that Sweden, or Norway, or one of those EU countries, is living better.
[They aren't. In fact, they're dying off. . . thanks to socialism.]
They are just 'socially engineered', and we all know which toilet drain the EU is circling, don't we?[yes]

For all the tax money they've taken from us, for all the depreciation of our dollars, for all the Wall St fatcats living large on our investments, for all the police-state socialism they're trying to ram down our throats, for all the corporate advertising we endure.... we still have it better here than anywhere else in the world.
[Better? In what way? Medical and dental costs are insane. Business are cutting hours. Retailers are going bankrupt. Rents are insane. More and more people are driven into glorious poverty. Food stamp rolls are rising. Everywhere you go, you're asked to show government ID.]
Kwitcherbellyakin. [no]
There's a thread here about California leaving the Union. It won't, but if it did, you should consider going with them. Mad lot of malcontents out there, too.... [Love it or leave it? That's a trite retort more suited to a sinking ship.]
And "highest standard of living" compared to others? Right now? Or before?

Let's stroll back a few generations, to that "primitive" period, around 1880-1910.
Federal Government taxes took less than 1% of the GNP (compared to 20% of the GDP, now).
We had a two-ocean navy, fought a war against Spain. Would finance and build the Panama Canal.

There was a "national league" of professional baseball teams, who played without lights, during business hours, with the bleachers filled with Joe American Workers who could afford to take an afternoon off from work and pay admission to watch a game. It certainly wasn't snooty rich folks filling those bleachers that made baseball into a "national pastime."
(Could most Americans afford to take off from work and go watch live professional baseball, now? On a regular basis?)

Folks made less than $1 a day - but their buying power was far greater. (In fact, based on the wholesale price index, a 2017 $1.00 has the same buying power of a 1910 cent ($0.01). Some would argue even less, based on equivalent labor.)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paularo.../#e5c12af45050
Wal-mart's new $9 minimum wage is balanced against their hour reduced staff - many reduced to 24-30 hours per week! $216 per week is not going to fly - especially when forced to pay ridiculous health care insurance premiums and get nicked by taxes.

I don't dispute that the "Takers" may be enjoying the "highest" standard of living - at the expense of the "Makers." But for the little guy, it's pretty nasty "out there."

[Anecdote flag on] A buddy sent me an email, seeking replacement renters. He's not the owner, but a tenant, in a four bedroom house. The owner rents each room for $500/month. He has to fill two rooms, pronto, or may have to sell off the house - evicting the current tenants - which includes my friend.

I can only speculate on the number of Americans barely making it from paycheck to paycheck. But I fear their numbers will only grow.
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