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I'm confused. If you have never been to SC, why are you asking if it has gotten better? What are you comparing it to? 1865? 1945?
SC in general has been fully integrated for as long as I have been alive; and we actually make eye contact and say hello to anyone that seems nice. We don't decide if you "seem nice" based on your color, but mainly on behavior or facial expression, and sometimes even clothing. It's rare to pass another person on the street and not say hello or at least head nod.
I doubt your trips to SC will bring you any issues unless you would like to create an issue. I'm often amazed of the expectations of what people think we must be like......can I cry "culturalism" against southerners?
Ok maybe I have the wrong idea about the South In general and I apologize as being from the north I don't know much about it all I wanted to know has it changed that's all is that particular question to hard to answer?
Ok maybe I have the wrong idea about the South In general and I apologize as being from the north I don't know much about it all I wanted to know has it changed that's all is that particular question to hard to answer?
How about learning how to punctuate properly? Then learn proper sentence structure.
Finally, put aside your pre-conceived notions about the South. You have way too many of them.
There is no way a student at Clemson has not heard about Tillman at this point. It is unlikely that Tillman Hall would have been named after Tillman if he was not the politician that pushed for a separate agricultural college in SC. He also pushed for the first women's college, Winthrop, and there is also a Tillman Hall at Winthrop.
Every student entering college has already learned about slavery, segregation and racism in the past. If they take history classes in college, they are going to hear about it again.
I read recently that Clemson had some kind of mandatory online diversity training for professors and students, and I read that the university pays a 'chief diversity officer' 180K a year, and I belive they are advertising for another diversity role at a salary of 90K or so.
I don't know why you are limiting past racist history to the south. University of Oregon, Yale, and other colleges outside of the south have changed names of buildings in recent years. John C. Calhoun attended Yale and he was one of the most racist politicians in history.
I don't think that any of those places that you listed are stuck in an era of segregation, given there is no segregation in those places. Segregation is illegal. I don't think that is fair to those people to suggest they are racist.
I attended Clemson and I never saw any racism. I think students are focused on their classes and having a good time outside class. These are good students.
Wow.. kudos to Clemson for putting the history of Tillman out there and stating the facts as is(was) and on their website no less..
Its like they are saying " Tillman was a violent racist segregationist with violent tendencies, worked to marginalize, and entire race of individuals in SC .....and founded our school".... Click Here to Apply Now!!!!
Wow.. kudos to Clemson for putting the history of Tillman out there and stating the facts as is(was) and on their website no less..
Its like they are saying " Tillman was a violent racist segregationist with violent tendencies, worked to marginalize, and entire race of individuals in SC .....and founded our school".... Click Here to Apply Now!!!!
How does the fact Tillman pushed for a separate agricultural college in the state have anything to do with Clemson today? .Tillman died in 1918 and he never worked at the university.
It isn't accurate to say he 'founded' the school. Thomas Clemson, an agricultural scientist, is the one who donated his estate for the college and it was set up based on his vision. An agricultural college probably still would have been created in the state if Clemson had not donated his estate, but it wouldn't have been in Clemson, and Clemson would still be the city of Calhoun.
Should students not go to UVA because Thomas Jefferson owned slaves? What about the colleges that George Washington supported? If I'm not mistaken, slave labor was used in the construction of UVA's Rotunda and historical campus.
I'm am pretty sure that I can discover at least one racist affiliated with most universities in the past if they aren't relatively new universities. One example is UofSC has a dorm named after Wade Hampton. As I previously pointed out, universities outside of the south to include Yale and the Uni of Oregon have changed the name of buildings named after racists.
Should people not move to SC because Tillman was once the governor?
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Ok maybe I have the wrong idea about the South In general and I apologize as being from the north I don't know much about it all I wanted to know has it changed that's all is that particular question to hard to answer?
You knew exactly what the response was gonna be when you asked. Not sure why this thread even made it to two pages.
The fact is that racism is alive and well here in the south. However, you are going to get a lot of white people that tell you that racism died out a long time ago and everything is hunky-dory these days. The truth is that most white people are about the last ones you want to ask about racism.
Here in Florence SC, there is a bar with a sign in the door that reads "members only". Despite being right in the middle of town in a mixed area, there are no black people in this bar. When I was told about the existence of this place, I was told (by another white person) not to worry about the sign and just walk right in. Now ask yourself... what do you think that sign means down here?
Yes most people are exceptionally nice down here, especially compared to the northeast. There is definitely such a thing as southern hospitality, but you will absolutely run into racists here and elsewhere in the south. As a white person, I get to hear the things that white people say when black people aren't around, and I assure you that sometimes some very different conversations take place.
It's not unique to SC. Check out a place called Wildman's Civil War Surplus in Kennesaw, GA on Google. There is a sign over the front door, visible from Google street maps, that says, "White History Year". I've traveled and lived all over the US (I currently live in SC) and this kind of crap only exists here.
Sorry southerners, but ya'll are racist af.
Remember that racism is taught. We are not born to hate. And kids are taught a lot of their values from their parents, who were taught by their parents, etc. all the way back to when black people were property.
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