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Old 04-28-2015, 03:34 PM
 
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What the scientists at TU Wien suggest is that while we perceive our universe in 3D, it may only be 2D.
Just like a hologram on a credit card. It looks to us to be something we can experience in three dimensions, but in fact it's flat.

Our Universe might just be a hologram - SlashGear
Our entire universe could be a 2D hologram, scientists warn | Metro News

if this could be proven, there would be major repurcussions.
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:41 PM
 
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Here is another group of scientists also experimenting on this possibility:
Fermilab experiment will attempt to answer whether we actually live in "the Matrix"
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:57 PM
 
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Strange, I always thought that universe was 4 dimensional.
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Old 04-30-2015, 02:43 AM
 
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For a hologram, the universe sure has some hot spots in it. Why would a hologram have a time lag over distance as in the speed of light and distant events? If this hologram was indeed factual, wouldn't it in fact be 3D? The third dimension being time. And I can't help wondering what exist behind and in front of this flat credit card lenticular type hologram (3D lenticular images are pretty cool).
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Old 05-03-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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For a hologram, the universe sure has some hot spots in it. Why would a hologram have a time lag over distance as in the speed of light and distant events? If this hologram was indeed factual, wouldn't it in fact be 3D? The third dimension being time. And I can't help wondering what exist behind and in front of this flat credit card lenticular type hologram (3D lenticular images are pretty cool).
I'm not an expert, but the experts in the studies say that they have proven that the math
works. If the math works, then it works for what you've said. Time lag over distance is
only a theory. So is general relativity. Have you ever heard of the "connected universe"
and quantum teleportation ? Space-Time could be an illusion. What if "distance" cannot
should not be measured by light, but by the energy which makes the light, but also exists
in essence without always yielding light ?
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Old 05-04-2015, 08:46 AM
 
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I'm not an expert, but the experts in the studies say that they have proven that the math
works. If the math works, then it works for what you've said. Time lag over distance is
only a theory. So is general relativity. Have you ever heard of the "connected universe"
and quantum teleportation ? Space-Time could be an illusion. What if "distance" cannot
should not be measured by light, but by the energy which makes the light, but also exists
in essence without always yielding light ?
Time lag over distance is a reality as can be demonstrated by the fact that the further away from you a flash of lightning is, the longer it takes before you hear the thunder.
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:10 AM
 
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Time lag over distance is a reality as can be demonstrated by the fact that the further away from you a flash of lightning is, the longer it takes before you hear the thunder.
It could be argued that sound is a mechanical effect in a physical medium and therefore not comparable to photon's or electromagnetic effects in space.

We have an example of electromagnetic time delay right here on earth in the form of long distance phone calls. We can hear the time lag. These are due to the time it takes electromagnetic waves to move through a medium. electromagnetic waves propagate at different speeds in different mediums (think of lenses) and the denser the medium the slower the propagation speed.

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The speed at which energy or signals travel down a cable is actually the speed of the electromagnetic wave, not the movement of electrons. Electromagnetic wave propagation is fast and depends on the dielectric constant of the material. In a vacuum the wave travels at the speed of light and almost that fast in air.
To me this suggests that the speed of light and the time delay over distance is no theory but fact.
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Old 05-05-2015, 08:13 AM
 
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It could be argued that sound is a mechanical effect in a physical medium and therefore not comparable to photon's or electromagnetic effects in space.

We have an example of electromagnetic time delay right here on earth in the form of long distance phone calls. We can hear the time lag. These are due to the time it takes electromagnetic waves to move through a medium. electromagnetic waves propagate at different speeds in different mediums (think of lenses) and the denser the medium the slower the propagation speed.

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The speed at which energy or signals travel down a cable is actually the speed of the electromagnetic wave, not the movement of electrons. Electromagnetic wave propagation is fast and depends on the dielectric constant of the material. In a vacuum the wave travels at the speed of light and almost that fast in air.

To me this suggests that the speed of light and the time delay over distance is no theory but fact.
That communications time lag is measureable. As shown in the chart below, a one way communication of 20,000 km's, either by HF link or submarine cable takes 0.07 seconds.
Circuit Distance Delay Time
HF link (UK-NZ) ~20,000 km 0.07 s (67 ms)
Submarine cable(UK-NZ) ~20,000 km 0.07 s (67 ms)

Geosat Link (US-Aus) ~80,000 km 0.25 s
Earth-Moon 384,000 km 1.3 s
Earth-Mars 55 - 378 million km 3 - 21 minutes
Earth-Jupiter 590 - 970 million km 33 - 53 minutes
Earth-Pluto ~5800 million km 5 hours
Earth-Nearest Star ~9.5 million million km 4 years

Communication Delay
When the Apollo astronauts were on the moon, it took the radio signals (traveling at the speed of light) from NASA ground control about 1.3 seconds to reach them. This made two way communications almost, but not quite real-time. Communications between Earth and the rovers on Mars takes much longer.
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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We see planets in our solar system as dots of light in the sky, and we've sent robot explorers to those planets, so the distance is real. We've seen evidence of gravitational lensing, so there are real and massive gravity wells in deep space. So, why would we think all that we see is an illusion?
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Old 05-09-2015, 01:55 AM
 
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We ourselves would be an illusion too and so would our consciousness and so would the maths that proves it all. One illusion cancels out the other! How would an illusion of consciousness work, exactly? Who is having the illusion, you or me? I want some of whatever they are smoking. That would be an illusion too, of course.
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