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Old 11-02-2022, 08:44 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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True.

Maybe technology cannot fix every problem.
We've evolved to be tool-using (technological) creatures. If we're going to fix something it will most likely be through technology.
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Old 02-01-2023, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Katowice
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Evidence for a universe out of nothing.

No way. There is no evidence (by the way, we do not prove in physics) that something could be created out of nothing. NOTHING cannot create SOMETHING and SOMETHING cannot turn into NOTHING.
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Old 02-01-2023, 07:03 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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No way. There is no evidence (by the way, we do not prove in physics) that something could be created out of nothing. NOTHING cannot create SOMETHING and SOMETHING cannot turn into NOTHING.
Your disbelief is noted, but the 'nothing' that physicists speak of is not an absolute nothing but a 'nothing' filled with fields and virtual matter/antimatter particles coming into and out of existence. If you had read the article you would had seen what they were talking about.

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Old 02-02-2023, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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No way. There is no evidence (by the way, we do not prove in physics) that something could be created out of nothing. NOTHING cannot create SOMETHING and SOMETHING cannot turn into NOTHING.
In quantum physics, that is absolutely not true.

Anyway, we are faced with a conundrum. Either the universe once did not exist and now does, or the universe has always existed. The first violates our nothing-from-something principle, while the second violates our everything-has-a-cause principle.

Bringing preconceived notions to this table accomplishes nothing.
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Old 02-03-2023, 08:23 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Anyway, we are faced with a conundrum. Either the universe once did not exist and now does, or the universe has always existed. The first violates our nothing-from-something principle, while the second violates our everything-has-a-cause principle.
I think the latter is only true if the arrow of time is universal, which we only know is true following the Big Bang event. If it isn't, then it's not clear what is even meant by giving rise to something.
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Old 02-03-2023, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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I often can create a pile of BS just by being me.
Does that count? It also smells.
YSMV
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Old 02-04-2023, 04:49 AM
 
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I think the latter is only true if the arrow of time is universal, which we only know is true following the Big Bang event. If it isn't, then it's not clear what is even meant by giving rise to something.
That's my point. Trying to apply everything ideas of common sense, or even basic principles of how things happen, to the basic nature of the universe is folly.
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Old 02-04-2023, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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No way. There is no evidence (by the way, we do not prove in physics) that something could be created out of nothing. NOTHING cannot create SOMETHING and SOMETHING cannot turn into NOTHING.

wasnt one of the points of he article that if E=mc^^2 then with enough 'E' in a complete void, there has to be a mass? sorta implies one is created.


stock up on batteries.
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Old 02-04-2023, 09:15 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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wasnt one of the points of he article that if E=mc^^2 then with enough 'E' in a complete void, there has to be a mass? sorta implies one is created.


stock up on batteries.
But piepszot claims that the E=mc^2 equation is false as well.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/scie...-involved.html post #6
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Old 02-04-2023, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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But piepszot claims that the E=mc^2 equation is false as well.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/scie...-involved.html post #6
@#$@#!!! no wonder the lander crashed on mars. dammit!
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