New Alcohol law (Salt Lake City, St. George, Cedar City: 2013, tax, living)

[kcoliver]

Remember the 30th marks the date that Utah has the lowest DUI rate in the U.S....05 to be considered drunk (U.S other states are .08). Thanks for decreasing tourism and making it more and more a state NOT to visit if ya want a drink with dinner! And don't tell me how it helps decrease drunk drivers, it doesn't and statistics say it isn't the issue. And keep in mind there is "intoxication" laws....ya may not be driving...just a few drinks and you will be arrested...watch the booking for intoxications in St. George.

[Code Stemi]

That's because Utah is run by the Good Ol' Boys! Ain't that peachy.

[irman]

Nobody ever said you can not have a few drinks.
If you think different then show me the wording where it says that!

All the law, and therefore the people of Utah, want is that you do not drive when your alcohol level is above a certain level.

How difficult is that to understand?


""And don't tell me how it helps decrease drunk drivers,""
No, it does not, but it may help stop the increase of drunk driver accidents ...

[kcoliver]

The people of Utah?????? We (I live here) voted for medical MJ and the good ole boys are now trying to both overturn or make it so difficult that people who need it can not obtain. The "people of Utah" want control not by a few that make laws up.... and voting will eventually change all this I hope.



No it does not stop drunk driver accidents.....most of them are caused by someone with a 2.0 or above.

[irman]

Originally Posted by kcoliver

No it does not stop drunk driver accidents.....most of them are caused by someone with a 2.0 or above.

Good guess, close but no cigar.
The level is 0.17% or higher and that is bloody drunk!

https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafe...ving_in_UT.pdf
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/12/...gislators-say/
https://www.omaha.com/livewellnebras...d93991e39.html

I spoke to a law officer and asked him what they are going to do with the new law.
The answer was that if they see the driver drive erratically or hugging the divider lines they will pull him or her over ...
My answer to him was that they then have to arrest half of the drivers in Utah ...

Last but not least, the .05 limit is NOT a Utah thing, they adopted a proposed limit suggested by some Government entity ...
""Federal authorities have long pushed for tougher drunk-driving laws than the .08 standard. The National Transportation Safety Board argued in 2013 for dropping that figure to .05, saying that research showed drivers above that level "are impaired and at a significantly greater risk of being involved in a crash where someone is killed or injured.""

[kavm]

Originally Posted by chahunt

That's because Utah is run by the Good Ol' Boys! Ain't that peachy.

Good ol' boys of a certain religious persuasion that looks down on alcohol consumption. Makes it easier to lead the nation on the toughness of the alcohol safety laws. If, however, safety were the prime consideration it is taunted to be and not a fig leaf - the penalties for the cell phone use while driving would a lot more stringent. That's why I am about ready to puke when someone quotes the safety improvements from the law. I wonder if those quoting the safety statistics can also look up the safety statistics and impact of the cell phone usage to see which is the biggest target area for impact is.

[Zenstyle]

I remember the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympic coverage. There was much on-line chatter by Utahns about making "booze" available for outsiders (meaning, normal Olympic ticket holders.) So much use of the word "booze." So silly.

[cedarite]

Originally Posted by Zenstyle

I remember the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympic coverage. There was much on-line chatter by Utahns about making "booze" available for outsiders (meaning, normal Olympic ticket holders.) So much use of the word "booze." So silly.

It has changed a lot over the last fifteen years, though. Here in Cedar City and in nearby Washington County, the tiny inadequate crumbling little liquor stores have been replaced with nice newer ones with much more selection.

At one point, Washington County had one 900 square foot store to serve all the restaurants in surrounding areas as well as the whole population. From what I understand, it got so bad that restaurants had to send staff to be there at delivery time to make sure they got their orders and they weren't sold out from under them, or they had to trek 3 hours north to get to other stores. I guess the state figured out that the iniquitous sinners were just heading to nearby Nevada and Utah was losing lots of heathen tax money.

Now, Cedar City has a winery with tasting room and a new brewery. That would have been unthinkable 15 years ago. There seems to be at least a little increase in the understanding that having a glass of wine with dinner does not automatically make one a raging drunk wino attacking people and living under a bridge somewhere, although once in awhile you will still run into a sanctimonious jerk who will snark at one along those general lines.

[old fed]

Originally Posted by Zenstyle

I remember the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympic coverage. There was much on-line chatter by Utahns about making "booze" available for outsiders (meaning, normal Olympic ticket holders.) So much use of the word "booze." So silly.

LOL, the tribune still uses that word a fair amount in some of their stories about liquor sales, etc.