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Old 01-19-2018, 12:24 AM
 
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As I mentioned in my first thread, I've read pretty much every thread in the Syracuse forum and am hoping to ask a bunch of specific questions that are informed by what I've learned from that reading. My second question is: What is the deal with Sedgwick?

Eg., how bad can it be such that this house, on this stunningly gorgeous street, is the price it is?

https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...3_M42486-49429

Is the issue just that the schools aren't great (say you'd need private schools) and there are some neighbourhoods, quite close (including Schiller Park?), that are a bit sketchy? If so, does anyone have a more concrete sense of what the latter means? Eg.., do you have to worry in your own house or when walking around the Sedgwick neighbourhood? Or is it that it's not that bad at all but potential buyers think it is? What about Schiller Park, in street view it looks nice.

Or is the issue that this area is at a real risk of declining in a serious way, e.g., houses in Sedgwick itself becoming rentals, then nearby owners flee, etc.?

It might be that these houses are nice, and if you're happy to drive to your house and back and ignore everything around you, you'll enjoy it. But if you want to take your kids for a walk or to the park, etc., you won't be happy?

Any insights very welcome, thanks!
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Old 01-19-2018, 07:27 AM
 
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As I mentioned in my first thread, I've read pretty much every thread in the Syracuse forum and am hoping to ask a bunch of specific questions that are informed by what I've learned from that reading. My second question is: What is the deal with Sedgwick?

Eg., how bad can it be such that this house, on this stunningly gorgeous street, is the price it is?

https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...3_M42486-49429

Is the issue just that the schools aren't great (say you'd need private schools) and there are some neighbourhoods, quite close (including Schiller Park?), that are a bit sketchy? If so, does anyone have a more concrete sense of what the latter means? Eg.., do you have to worry in your own house or when walking around the Sedgwick neighbourhood? Or is it that it's not that bad at all but potential buyers think it is? What about Schiller Park, in street view it looks nice.

Or is the issue that this area is at a real risk of declining in a serious way, e.g., houses in Sedgwick itself becoming rentals, then nearby owners flee, etc.?

It might be that these houses are nice, and if you're happy to drive to your house and back and ignore everything around you, you'll enjoy it. But if you want to take your kids for a walk or to the park, etc., you won't be happy?

Any insights very welcome, thanks!
I think it may have to do with the individual house, as Sedgwick is arguably the most affluent neighborhood in the city. A census block group in the neighborhood: Census Block Group 000900-2 in Onondaga County, New York
The census tract it is in, which includes a small portion of the Eastwood neighborhood: Census Tract 000900 in Onondaga County, New York


I go through that area daily and the areas north/east of Schiller Park into Sedgwick are ok/solid, but as you go further west of it, things get rougher. Not immediately, but steadily.


It is a nice park with a swimming pool and you will find some of the immigrant/refugee kids playing pick up soccer in the park during the warmer months. This is a nice view of Downtown from the park:
http://media.syracuse.com/news/photo...9ef6_large.jpg


I don't think there is a risk of homes becoming rentals and there are actually townhomes/apartments in the neighborhood itself. An example: Dewitt Highland Townhouse Apartments in Syracuse


You see people walking in the neighborhood with their dogs and there is actually a tennis club in the neighborhood: Tennis Club, Tennis Courts, Tournaments Syracuse NY | Sedgwick Farm Tennis Club


You have judges and politicians that live in the neighborhood as well.


Salem-Hyde Elementary is the public elementary for the neighborhood and it is ok/solid by state standards when looking at test scores. School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY


This is the middle school in the neighborhood: School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY but some in the portion closer to Grant Boulevard may go here: School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY
The public high school they are zoned for: Henninger High School but this is a good magnet option: School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY


If you go private, these seem to be options people in the neighborhood go with: Blessed Sacrament School | Syracuse, NY


St. Margaret's School (maybe)


Welcome to Bishop Grimes:Home - Welcome to Bishop Grimes Jr/Sr. High School (quite a few)


https://www.mphschool.org/


https://www.cbasyracuse.org/


Among others...


This is a charter option in the city: http://www.sascs.org/


Some may go public or charter due to this: Home - Say Yes to Education - Syracuse
How It Works - Say Yes to Education - Syracuse
Eligibility - Say Yes to Education - Syracuse
Syracuse College Partners - Say Yes to Education - Syracuse


So, you could even go private and then transfer in time in order to qualify.


Hope that this helps...
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:18 AM
 
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I think it may have to do with the individual house, as Sedgwick is arguably the most affluent neighborhood in the city. A census block group in the neighborhood: Census Block Group 000900-2 in Onondaga County, New York
The census tract it is in, which includes a small portion of the Eastwood neighborhood: Census Tract 000900 in Onondaga County, New York


I go through that area daily and the areas north/east of Schiller Park into Sedgwick are ok/solid, but as you go further west of it, things get rougher. Not immediately, but steadily.


It is a nice park with a swimming pool and you will find some of the immigrant/refugee kids playing pick up soccer in the park during the warmer months. This is a nice view of Downtown from the park:
http://media.syracuse.com/news/photo...9ef6_large.jpg


I don't think there is a risk of homes becoming rentals and there are actually townhomes/apartments in the neighborhood itself. An example: Dewitt Highland Townhouse Apartments in Syracuse


You see people walking in the neighborhood with their dogs and there is actually a tennis club in the neighborhood: Tennis Club, Tennis Courts, Tournaments Syracuse NY | Sedgwick Farm Tennis Club


You have judges and politicians that live in the neighborhood as well.


Salem-Hyde Elementary is the public elementary for the neighborhood and it is ok/solid by state standards when looking at test scores. School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY


This is the middle school in the neighborhood: School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY but some in the portion closer to Grant Boulevard may go here: School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY
The public high school they are zoned for: Henninger High School but this is a good magnet option: School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY


If you go private, these seem to be options people in the neighborhood go with: Blessed Sacrament School | Syracuse, NY


St. Margaret's School (maybe)


Welcome to Bishop Grimes:Home - Welcome to Bishop Grimes Jr/Sr. High School (quite a few)


https://www.mphschool.org/


https://www.cbasyracuse.org/


Among others...


This is a charter option in the city: http://www.sascs.org/


Some may go public or charter due to this: Home - Say Yes to Education - Syracuse
How It Works - Say Yes to Education - Syracuse
Eligibility - Say Yes to Education - Syracuse
Syracuse College Partners - Say Yes to Education - Syracuse


So, you could even go private and then transfer in time in order to qualify.


Hope that this helps...
Also, Salem-Hyde has a playground. So, you have another Park in the neighborhood/immediate area.

Sunnycrest Park, which is next to Henninger High, isn’t too far away and has a skating rink. It also has a 9 hole golf course. So, that is another nearby park option. http://www.syracuse.ny.us/Parks/sunnycrestPark.html

A nearby restaurant that is quietly popular west of the neighborhood: Rileys

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Old 01-21-2018, 07:09 AM
 
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Things sell for what people will pay.

Having said that to me it seems really overpriced.

For that money you can get a really nice house in the burbs that has a modern heating system and modern wire ring and good schools.

I see they has been lowering the price for awhile now. My guess is when they sell it the price will be much lower.
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Old 01-21-2018, 07:30 AM
 
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Things sell for what people will pay.

Having said that to me it seems really overpriced.

For that money you can get a really nice house in the burbs that has a modern heating system and modern wire ring and good schools.

I see they has been lowering the price for awhile now. My guess is when they sell it the price will be much lower.
I think the thing with the neighborhood is that the taxes seem to be lower and you can’t find homes like those in the suburbs, with maybe a few exceptions. Many that live there are likely to go private in terms of schools or just take more responsibility in terms of education, as you still get kids that go public and do fine.

There’s the aspect of the Say Yes program currently tied to the public schools as well.

You could also walk to things and take the bus, if you want to. So, those that may want walkability or use public transportation could from the neighborhood.

So, it may be a matter of how people navigate the situation or want in a neighborhood.

Keep in mind that it is a historic neighborhood as well: http://www.syracuse.ny.us/uploadedFi...t/sedgwick.pdf

http://www.syracuse.ny.us/uploadedFi..._Standards.pdf

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Old 01-21-2018, 09:13 AM
 
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thanks for the links and comments. To me that house seems nicer than anything you can get in the suburbs, which is why I wondered how bad the area could be to be keeping the price down. I guess some of it though is that I just don't have a register for Syracuse prices....it feels like if a house that nice is only $250,000, then something must be seriously wrong with the neighbourhood.

My biggest concern with the area might be that the school situation might mean a lower percentage of people with children living there, which isn't great for neighbourhood friends. I can dig into the census tract information however to figure that out.

thanks.
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Old 01-21-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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If those that care, here are bus lines near the neighborhood: https://www.centro.org/docs/default-...7.pdf?sfvrsn=2

https://www.centro.org/docs/default-...s.pdf?sfvrsn=2

https://www.centro.org/docs/default-...b.pdf?sfvrsn=6

https://www.centro.org/docs/default-...l.pdf?sfvrsn=4

This may help in terms of school enrollment: Census Tract 000900 in Onondaga County, New York Population and Races
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Old 01-21-2018, 10:38 AM
 
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We looked at the cities for deals as our kids are all grown.

In the end schools kinda follow the broken windows theory.

Even if you don't need the schools you'll find that good schools are in good areas.

For us the extra taxes are worth it.
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Old 01-21-2018, 11:05 AM
 
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I think the neighborhood in terms of demand and reputation. In this case, the neighborhood has one of the better elementary schools in the district, but I think the other things mentioned before still make the neighborhood attractive.

You could go with a suburban village, but it may come down to taxes and the type of commute.

I also think for people that want to get rid of a car, that frees up money by taking public transportation or even walking to work. You are likely to do that if you live within city limits or perhaps an adjacent first ring suburb. This is also considering that a car definitely loses value once it is off the lot. So, considering that the OP is coming from Europe, that may be something that they are considering.
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Old 01-22-2018, 02:27 AM
 
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Thanks. The job would be at SU, and being able to walk to work is hugely appealing. I'm considering the Berkeley Drive area, the area just east of Westcott, (in both cases am hoping to avoid being near rentals/noise), the parts of DeWitt that are walking distance from the Manley South parking lot (where there is a free shuttle to campus), and then the Dewittshire area (which isn't walking distance, but which is on a quick bus line directly to campus). I feel (without much experience) that the F/M area would be a bit annoying with traffic, but I was going to ask that question in another thread. We were in Syracuse between Christmas and New Year's and the traffic didn't seem bad at all, I just wasn't sure if it was quieter than normal because of the holidays (people off work, etc.).
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