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Here is the CNY Good life website that was also referenced in that article in post 206, with its list of regional colleges and universities: https://www.goodlifecny.com/universities/
So, that may be what he is referring to in the article. From those listed and still around, it is more like 114,000 students, though Herkimer CC is another one that could be added due to being in the Utica-Rome area. So, that may push it up to 120,000, with nursing colleges adding another say 1000 students. So, it is more like 121,000 in the areas usually viewed as CNY to some degree. That is still a pretty substantial percentage of the region.
Which is why my drastic ideas to change the energy of the city of Syracuse from depressing and uncool to beautiful and cool are important. Unless the energy of the city of Syracuse drastically changes for the better young college graduates will continue to seek places that feel better to live in. Even though I am the greatest promoter of the Syracuse area, only about half the area has great energy. All my ideas are trying to find ways so that 90 percent of the Syracuse area feels good to live, work, play and visit.
Even the depressing and uncool statements may be subjective due to Syracuse being more of a low key, lesser talked about city/area. So, it may be a matter of those things versus it necessarily being depressing and uncool. If anything, the low key nature of the city/area allows for its to be affordable, while having a lot to offer for its size, if a person takes the time to look or are willing to possibly do something outside of their comfort zone.
Also, as a person that works on University Hill, a lot of students stay in their bubbles or go to select things in the area. So, many just don't know what is around the city/area. So, promotion is just as important and has been going on in this forum for years while you were on and while you were away. Posting things like events, things to do, demographic/cultural information, etc. go a long way and maybe even more than potential ideas, as they are things that can be done right away and can be tangible to interact with.
I think the key for ideas is to have things that appeal to the diverse set of people that live in the area, which is why I made the statements about venues, as I think they have to connect with what people in the community are saying and look at things that have worked in the past.
It is very simple to me. Downtown Syracuse attracts new residents and the demand for housing is so high because overall downtown is attractive and beautiful.
Most Syracuse neighborhoods are not beautiful so there isn't high demand there.
Make all of Syracuse beautiful and you will see high demand over the city.
It is very simple to me. Downtown Syracuse attracts new residents and the demand for housing is so high because overall downtown is attractive and beautiful.
Most Syracuse neighborhoods are not beautiful so there isn't high demand there.
Make all of Syracuse beautiful and you will see high demand over the city.
What it really is, is that much of the development in the city has been Downtown/University Hill and the city is looking to gradually move development further out among the city from the core. This was told to me by someone in the know.
Plus, there are other neighborhoods in the city that are relatively popular. So, it isn’t Downtown or bust within the city. Westcott, Tipperary Hill, Franklin Square; old money neighborhoods like Sedgwick, Strathmore, Scottholm, Berkeley Park and even Eastwood and Court-Woodlawn(higher percentage of home owners), among others, are some others that come to mind. Again, a lot of people that live in the area may not be familiar with them, if they stay in their preferred/local part of the area though.
Here is the CNY Good life website that was also referenced in that article in post 206, with its list of regional colleges and universities: https://www.goodlifecny.com/universities/
So, that may be what he is referring to in the article. From those listed and still around, it is more like 114,000 students, though Herkimer CC is another one that could be added due to being in the Utica-Rome area. So, that may push it up to 120,000, with nursing colleges adding another say 1000 students. So, it is more like 121,000 in the areas usually viewed as CNY to some degree. That is still a pretty substantial percentage of the region.
How does Onondaga County compete with other cities for new residents?
One way is creating a bike infrastructure.
At great Bike infrastructure should be the priority for Onondaga County.
Install protected bike infrastructure across Onondaga County, and improve connectivity of existing bike network.
Increase connectivity surrounding high trip potential and population centers. Reduce vehicle miles traveled. Increase zero emission personal and fleet vehicles, equipment, and facilities.
Driving, public transit, bicycling, and walking networks connect us to our homes, our jobs, local businesses, and our environment. These varying modes of transportation, the infrastructure needed to support them, and the travel distance between destinations are directly related to the scale of our carbon footprint and GHG emissions we produce
More and more people are desiring suburbs with walking and biking trails.
Create walkable dense areas where people gather every day in the city and suburbs all year with a similar feel of the NYS Fair with people walking around on a street closed to vehicle traffic with many vendors to shop.
People like me strongly desire a sense of walking in a city environment outside with many other people without worrying about dodging cars. That is what I enjoy about the NYS Fair. People watching, being around large crowds of people, to see new stuff and be seen. I think this is why many people move to big walkable cities.
European cities and most of Asian cities provide these type of environments. Personally I'd love the option of having a NYS Fair environment everyday where I could walk to and just stroll around to be in large groups of people while I explore, people watch, eat and relax.
Create walkable dense areas where people gather every day in the city and suburbs all year with a similar feel of the NYS Fair with people walking around on a street closed to vehicle traffic with many vendors to shop.
People like me strongly desire a sense of walking in a city environment outside with many other people without worrying about dodging cars. That is what I enjoy about the NYS Fair. People watching, being around large crowds of people, to see new stuff and be seen. I think this is why many people move to big walkable cities.
European cities and most of Asian cities provide these type of environments. Personally I'd love the option of having a NYS Fair environment everyday where I could walk to and just stroll around to be in large groups of people while I explore, people watch, eat and relax.
The key is to offer options to just car-centric development. People are going to still want their cars/vehicles, but should also have some viable options for walkability, biking and public transportation.
You could do something similar to the Ithaca Commons, which is just a pedestrian mall and is more in line with what a NYS fair atmosphere would be. In fact, there was a presented development called SyracUSA for the Clinton Square area of Downtown, where there would be a high rise building where the Atrium Building is located and it would be a pedestrian style area. This was from the early 1970's and the Onondaga Historical Association had this from an exhibit they had some years back. So, that was one of those things that get presented for the city/area, but didn't come to fruition.
With that said, the area already has walkable city neighborhoods and villages, but you have to have the housing that allows for the walkable infrastructure to be used at a higher level. There are buildings that can be turned into housing like the former post office building in the village of North Syracuse, which has apartments on the higher floors or the former Olde Liverpool Shoppes building in the village of Liverpool with a Freedom of Espresso cafe on the bottom floor. So, there are examples of housing that help contribute to more activity in walkable environments, but the area needs to look at infill and using current buildings like those two examples to help increase the vibrancy of these walkable areas. As mentioned, this was something I started a thread about a few years ago and has some ideas about parts of the city/area that could use infill or buildings that could be redeveloped.
Last edited by ckhthankgod; 08-23-2023 at 07:19 AM..
North Syracuse is too close to the Airport flight path but allowing high rise buildings in Brewerton might work.
Zone downtown Brewerton, NY to allow for 10 story Apartment and condo buildings. Over time tear down many of the strip malls in Brewerton and replace them with a walkable street grid with 10 story buildings with views of Oneida Lake on the upper floors. These luxury apartments or condos could sell for big money with those views of the lake.
Then work on having Brewerton, NY become like a Arlington, Virginia over time. A business and residential hub in the suburbs with tall buildings with a walkable street grid.
This could give people more options in the area on places to live with a dense walkable environment of shops, restaurants, office space and residential buildings other than downtown Syracuse.
North Syracuse is too close to the Airport flight path but allowing high rise buildings in Brewerton might work.
Zone downtown Brewerton, NY to allow for 10 story Apartment and condo buildings. Over time tear down many of the strip malls in Brewerton and replace them with a walkable street grid with 10 story buildings with views of Oneida Lake on the upper floors. These luxury apartments or condos could sell for big money with those views of the lake.
Then work on having Brewerton, NY become like a Arlington, Virginia over time. A business and residential hub in the suburbs with tall buildings with a walkable street grid.
This could give people more options in the area on places to live with a dense walkable environment of shops, restaurants, office space and residential buildings other than downtown Syracuse.
Does North Syracuse need a high rise building though? Even low or medium rise buildings would be more in line with the character of the village and where would you put that type of building within the village? Maybe where the former Mobil gas station is located on the northern end of the village near bear road? Even then, a 10 story apartment building there would look out of place and character with that area.
Again, does Brewerton, a hamlet that is split by the Oneida River and the county line, need a 10 story building? It may change due to the Micron presence nearby, but the key would be to first get consistent sidewalk infrastructure, public transportation access and infill before jumping right to a 10 story apartment building. There has to be a foundation to be laid for people to walk safely to places, a critical mass of people and transportation options other than by personal vehicle to get around.
You also have to keep in mind what I mentioned earlier about the way Brewerton is set up, as it isn't an incorporated community and is governed by two separate towns and counties. So, development would have to be coordinated between both sides of the community to make it more cohesive in terms of build environment.
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