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You made more than $33 per hour in the army?? I doubt that. Plus you have to take into account all the benefits, etc he also received plus OT at 1.5 and holiday pay which is double time.
Why are you so negative about CNY?? Yes I get the fact you feel NY has high taxes but why does it dominate all of your threads?? Yes some people live here and dont mind paying high taxes
I was wondering the same thing. What rank was at? I've seen Wingfoot on some other boards on here too.
Because the thread about web hosting was closed, I'd like to respond to Wingfoot's last post in it here (unrelated to the website idea but relevant to his complaint):
So those of us who do *not* find the taxes outrageous (high in most cases but rarely outrageous, in my experience) probably DO consider central New York to be one of the best places in the United States. I know I do. And for the benefits that are received, paying our [high but certainly not outrageous] property taxes is well worth our while.
-Prestigious school district that will educate however many children we choose to have...
-Excellent snow removal
-Weekly garbage and recycling removal, and debris removal several times a week
-Extensive intra-county library system with multiple weekly events for all ages.
-Special education specialists, should we ever need them
-Roads and sewers maintained, as *needed.* Emphasis because I've seen the seemingly COMPLETE lack of care in other areas.
-Beautifully cared for parks, ponds, sports' fields, a fish hatchery and public fishing and playgrounds.
-Concerts and festivals in these parks - classical, jazz, rock, amateur...
-Community senior center with many organized regular and special events, activities and trips
-Gym and crafts for kids, daily, in the community center.
-Rapid-response, full time, paid police and fire departments.
All paid for by our $4000+/year. The cost of what tuition would be, alone, makes paying taxes worthwhile. With all of these other benefits? Totally worth it.
Because the thread about web hosting was closed, I'd like to respond to Wingfoot's last post in it here (unrelated to the website idea but relevant to his complaint):
So those of us who do *not* find the taxes outrageous (high in most cases but rarely outrageous, in my experience) probably DO consider central New York to be one of the best places in the United States. I know I do. And for the benefits that are received, paying our [high but certainly not outrageous] property taxes is well worth our while.
-Prestigious school district that will educate however many children we choose to have...
-Excellent snow removal
-Weekly garbage and recycling removal, and debris removal several times a week
-Extensive intra-county library system with multiple weekly events for all ages.
-Special education specialists, should we ever need them
-Roads and sewers maintained, as *needed.* Emphasis because I've seen the seemingly COMPLETE lack of care in other areas.
-Beautifully cared for parks, ponds, sports' fields, a fish hatchery and public fishing and playgrounds.
-Concerts and festivals in these parks - classical, jazz, rock, amateur...
-Community senior center with many organized regular and special events, activities and trips
-Gym and crafts for kids, daily, in the community center.
-Rapid-response, full time, paid police and fire departments.
All paid for by our $4000+/year. The cost of what tuition would be, alone, makes paying taxes worthwhile. With all of these other benefits? Totally worth it.
I agree totally, my point is many people can't afford to pay them and move elsewhere or dont move here because of them in the first place.
I complain not because I hate Upstate but because I love it.
Also, as one example ,everything you cite is also true of states like WI and MN + plus these states have far more public higher education seats per captia and the flagship state universities in Madison and Mpls are among the best in the world,something never said about say,SUNY Buffalo or Albany .
Also, as one example ,everything you cite is also true of states like WI and MN + plus these states have far more public higher education seats per captia and the flagship state universities in Madison and Mpls are among the best in the world,something never said about say,SUNY Buffalo or Albany .
While that may be true, Wisconsin and Minnesota are hardly as proximate to major cities and sights as New York and more specifically, Syracuse. They are also much colder states with harsher climates in general and don't have the beautiful landscapes I've grown up with here... I'm sure there are lovely scenes in those states as well but I am thoroughly *in love* with my surroundings. So the question is, why would I move? I wouldn't be able to come up with a single, lasting reason but especially all together, Syracuse comes out FAR ahead, for us.
Your (general you, not *you*) mileage may vary. I don't want everyone to live here, of course (nor do I expect everyone to love it here, there are all types of people with different needs), but I do get riled up when I hear near-constant disparagement of central New York by its natives... they don't know how good they have it. I wish they'd open their eyes and LOOK! [/rant over. lol]
Also, while it's true that nobody would claim Buffalo or Albany to be among the best universities in the world, they aren't even the best in the SUNY system -- certainly Binghamton and Geneseo are much more highly regarded than are other SUNYs, and all four are of roughly the same caliber as the two Upper Midwestern state schools. In the most recent U.S. News and World Report College Rankings, Wisconsin sits at 39 among national universities; Minnesota-Twin Cities and Binghamton trail by quite a bit, at 61 and 80, respectively.
Moreover, a quick check of the numbers shows that New York State has 19,490,297 residents, with enrollment of [SIZE=3]438,361 at its SUNY campuses and [/SIZE][SIZE=3]483,000 at its CUNY schools; Wisconsin, on the other hand, has an enrollment of [/SIZE][SIZE=3]173,000 at its public colleges and universities, and a population of [/SIZE][SIZE=3]5,627,967.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Wisconsin, then, with one university seat per 32.53 residents, has considerably fewer public university seats per capita than does New York, which has one university seat per 21.15 residents. Again, those critical claims about New York in comparison to other states are just that -- wild claims. The hard figures tell a different story.[/SIZE]
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Also, while it's true that nobody would claim Buffalo or Albany to be among the best universities in the world, they aren't even the best in the SUNY system -- certainly Binghamton and Geneseo are much more highly regarded than are other SUNYs, and all four are of roughly the same caliber as the two Upper Midwestern state schools. In the most recent U.S. News and World Report College Rankings, Wisconsin sits at 39 among national universities; Minnesota-Twin Cities and Binghamton trail by quite a bit, at 61 and 80, respectively.
Moreover, a quick check of the numbers shows that New York State has 19,490,297 residents, with enrollment of [SIZE=3]438,361 at its SUNY campuses and [/SIZE][SIZE=3]483,000 at its CUNY schools; Wisconsin, on the other hand, has an enrollment of [/SIZE][SIZE=3]173,000 at its public colleges and universities, and a population of [/SIZE][SIZE=3]5,627,967.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Wisconsin, then, with one university seat per 32.53 residents, has considerably fewer public university seats per capita than does New York, which has one university seat per 21.15 residents. Again, those critical claims about New York in comparison to other states are just that -- wild claims. The hard figures tell a different story.[/SIZE]
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US NEW rankings are totally bogus and have zero cred.
While that may be true, Wisconsin and Minnesota are hardly as proximate to major cities and sights as New York and more specifically, Syracuse. They are also much colder states with harsher climates in general and don't have the beautiful landscapes I've grown up with here... I'm sure there are lovely scenes in those states as well but I am thoroughly *in love* with my surroundings. So the question is, why would I move? I wouldn't be able to come up with a single, lasting reason but especially all together, Syracuse comes out FAR ahead, for us.
Your (general you, not *you*) mileage may vary. I don't want everyone to live here, of course (nor do I expect everyone to love it here, there are all types of people with different needs), but I do get riled up when I hear near-constant disparagement of central New York by its natives... they don't know how good they have it. I wish they'd open their eyes and LOOK! [/rant over. lol]
Moderator cut: personal attackNo dispargement expressed or implied, save the issue of property taxes.
WI and MN have similar climates to upstate with about half the property
tax and snow.
Twin Cities have more high culture than any one person could possibly take in , every bit as vibrant if not more so than NYC at a third the price.
Milwaukee and Madison are rich as well.
Muggings around halls are notably absent, NYS is the clear winner there.
Last edited by bellafinzi; 09-09-2009 at 07:27 PM..
Reason: personal debate/attack
Also, while it's true that nobody would claim Buffalo or Albany to be among the best universities in the world, they aren't even the best in the SUNY system -- certainly Binghamton and Geneseo are much more highly regarded than are other SUNYs, and all four are of roughly the same caliber as the two Upper Midwestern state schools. In the most recent U.S. News and World Report College Rankings, Wisconsin sits at 39 among national universities; Minnesota-Twin Cities and Binghamton trail by quite a bit, at 61 and 80, respectively.
Moreover, a quick check of the numbers shows that New York State has 19,490,297 residents, with enrollment of [SIZE=3]438,361 at its SUNY campuses and [/SIZE][SIZE=3]483,000 at its CUNY schools; Wisconsin, on the other hand, has an enrollment of [/SIZE][SIZE=3]173,000 at its public colleges and universities, and a population of [/SIZE][SIZE=3]5,627,967.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Wisconsin, then, with one university seat per 32.53 residents, has considerably fewer public university seats per capita than does New York, which has one university seat per 21.15 residents. Again, those critical claims about New York in comparison to other states are just that -- wild claims. The hard figures tell a different story.[/SIZE]
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Also, Geneso and B'hampton are undergrad wih a few grad programs-comparing them to major research unis is grapes to Watermelon comparison.
+ Plus your SUNY figures include Community Colleges which WI 's dont
The U.S. News and World Report compares them as "major universities," guy. Might not suit you, but that's a publication that does indeed carry weight with a significant portion of educated America. And I did include the community college enrollment as part of Wisconsin's figures.
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And for the benefits that are received, paying our [high but certainly not outrageous] property taxes is well worth our while. 
