Dems fleeing CA for TX, but still voting Dem.. (Houston: sales, insurance)

[supfromthesite]

Now just imagine how great California would be without those liberal/leftist policies.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Then why are so many people leaving SF?

The population of SF is not net negative. It’s still growing. The people who leave do so because of how expensive it is.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

The population of SF is not net negative. It’s still growing. The people who leave do so because of how expensive it is.

More later.......

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...n-15632448.php

[Dave_n_Tenn]

Yes, people are leaving San Francisco. After decades of growth, is the city on the decline?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...r-15635160.php

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by EDS_

More later.......

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...n-15632448.php

Originally Posted by Dave_n_Tenn

Yes, people are leaving San Francisco. After decades of growth, is the city on the decline?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...r-15635160.php

Those articles are leaping to conclusions. They are using tax revenue as a way to determine population decline. They cannot determine who is leaving and coming, growth or decline that way. That’s not conclusive. I’ll go by the ACS numbers which are much better.

[Westerner92]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Only along the coast. Most of interior CA is more inhospitale than most of Texas.....guessing you've never been to Johannesburg, Boron, Ridgecrest, Needles, Bishop etc. Save the preaching for someone else.

What’s your point other than a non sequitur about how California has empty desert? You clearly have nothing to counter with.

All the problems y’all are trying to associate with politics are far more easily explained by geography and population growth.

[LocalPlanner]

Coastal California will always have some level of cost premium due to desirable climate and scenery - at least until the droughts, wildfires, and earthquakes get to be too much. But that premium is much, much higher than it ought to be because of the excessive power that affluent citizens there believe that they ought to have over other people's property rights. They are flat WRONG. And of all the political malfeasance that I fear they are exporting, that it the most dangerous and awful one. They exported that philosophy to Austin long ago, and have infected suburbs like Plano and Sugar Land with it. It must be expunged from the state. If that upsets California transplants, then they should leave Texas.

"But...but...but...'community character!'" Sorry Californian, you're just a NIMBY that thinks because you paid a lot for your house you should get to take away others' rights. If that's your philosophy, get out. Now.

[LocalPlanner]

Oh, and another thing they've done in those West Coast communities is shift the blame for their housing crisis to developers - it's so awful that developers and builders make money from housing! We need to tack on extra linkage fees and inclusionary zoning rules so that new development must bear the cost of providing affordable housing for the low and middle income folks that just add cost to the housing that does get built, and create arbitrary "environmental" approval processes that add untold compliance costs and years upon years to the permitting process.

They never recognize that they themselves, these supposedly educated, open-minded, enlightened people, are the primary force behind the craziness.

[Westerner92]

Originally Posted by LocalPlanner

Coastal California will always have some level of cost premium due to desirable climate and scenery - at least until the droughts, wildfires, and earthquakes get to be too much. But that premium is much, much higher than it ought to be because of the excessive power that affluent citizens there believe that they ought to have over other people's property rights. They are flat WRONG. And of all the political malfeasance that I fear they are exporting, that it the most dangerous and awful one. They exported that philosophy to Austin long ago, and have infected suburbs like Plano and Sugar Land with it. It must be expunged from the state. If that upsets California transplants, then they should leave Texas.

"But...but...but...'community character!'" Sorry Californian, you're just a NIMBY that thinks because you paid a lot for your house you should get to take away others' rights. If that's your philosophy, get out. Now.

LOL, Austin’s NIMBY culture is homegrown. Shortsighted home owners treating their property as an investment while whining about the very growth that’s increasing their property values is happening everywhere in this country.

[LocalPlanner]

Originally Posted by Westerner92

LOL, Austin’s NIMBY culture is homegrown. Shortsighted home owners treating their property as an investment while whining about the very growth that’s increasing their property values is happening everywhere in this country.

But make no mistake, while the seed of Austin's NIMBYism was born from those already there in the 1970s, it has been reinforced multiple times over by West Coasters who were already aligned with that philosophy. It's likely that this attitude is part of what makes Austin attractive to them. And I personally don't think it's aligned with a particular political party, it's just a general sickness that was incredibly over-indulged in California by elected officials, court judges and others that should have known better.