what do you think about the new prius plug-in? (vehicles, fuel, braking)
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I would think the damn thing could have solar panels in the roof to take advantage of that both during cruise and, given some "knowledge" of where it is and where it's going, or the driver pushing a button when say 2 or 3 or whatever miles from destination, it could "intentionally" deplete the battery, then charge it up using the solar panels.
The average solar panel for household applications puts out something like 140 watts in ideal conditions. Even if the whole roof of the car was solar you'd be lucky to get the equivalent of two on a Prius. It would take days to fully charge the batteries from the solar panels and they are not cheap. AFAIK, the plug-in Prius is already programmed to completely deplete the batteries before switching to gas. And it will only do 15 miles on batteries alone.
Volt $32,800
Plug in Prius $32,000
Not much price difference after the fed handout.
Honestly, ten grand for a 15 mile electric only range is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
I'll sell you my Bicycle for a third of that cost...I'll even install an electric motor that does 15 miles @ 30mph Just install baskets or trailer for groceries. Add an extra 5,000k for a twin tandem model that still comes up bout 15,000 cheaper than some plug in car. Don't hate, I'm just trying to cash in on all the electric nonsense
at .20 a kwh its horribly expensive to charge you will have,a car that depreciates faster than a lead weight as technology moves on and parts and service knowledge will be lacking for sure.
I'd look into some of the economical gasoline powered cars in the $15K range, if driven correctly mpg figures in the 40's can easily be achieved and you'll never have to deal with the complexities of a car full of batteries and the questionable environmental impact the production and disposal of those batteries entail.
I'd look into some of the economical gasoline powered cars in the $15K range, if driven correctly mpg figures in the 40's can easily be achieved and you'll never have to deal with the complexities of a car full of batteries and the questionable environmental impact the production and disposal of those batteries entail.
the lithium batteries in these are not as bad to make as the lead acid or nickle metal hydride ones, and they are easily recyclable, for no environmental imact when they are depleted.
Still the wave of the future when gas becomes prohibitively expensive or simply doesn't exist. Some people want to be ahead of that curve rather than behind it.
Volt $32,800
Plug in Prius $32,000
Not much price difference after the fed handout.
Honestly, ten grand for a 15 mile electric only range is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
The Volt still costs ~$40k. Yes, the credit can help out, but almost no one can take full advantage of it. You would need to have a $7,500 tax liability in order to use it and almost no one has that. It's not a full credit, like the one for buying a house a couple years ago. If you can't use it to offset your tax liability you lose it. If you want to buy a Volt, you will pay full boat and then hope to recover a portion of it by offsetting your taxes. At the dealer, you are still buying a $40k car.
The lease is a different story since the leasing company can take full advantage of the credit and they pass that on to you. So, the Volt is significantly more expensive than the plug-in Prius. Personally, I think the Volt is worth the cost (especially on a lease), but the plug-in Prius is not.
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Originally Posted by mathjak107
at .20 a kwh its horribly expensive to charge you will have,a car that depreciates faster than a lead weight as technology moves on and parts and service knowledge will be lacking for sure.
Electric rates vary and overnight rates are cheaper than daytime rates if you have a smart meter. Most people pay around .11 cents per kwh and can get that down to .07 cents on overnight rates. Even at the national average of .11 cents, it would cost you about .44 cents to charge the Prius and around .88 cents to charge the Volt, much cheaper than driving the equivalent on gas. The math is on the first page, in my post, but as example:
15 miles of driving on electric charge = .44 cents.
15 miles of driving on gas at $3.69 a gallon at 50 MPG = $1.10
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Thumbs down on this tasteless vehicle
