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Toyota hybrid sales for 2020 (All of North America) cars
43,525 TOYOTA PRIUS HYBRID - all alternate fuel
33,826 TOYOTA CAMRY HYBRID out of 294,348
17,628 TOYOTA COROLLA HYBRID out of 237,178 total
6,714 TOYOTA AVALON HYBRID out of 18,421
499 TOYOTA MIRAI - all alternate fuel
102,192 out of 608,771 or 16.8%
SUVs
115,974 TOYOTA RAV4 HYBRID
48,455 TOYOTA HIGHLANDER HYBRID
13,073 TOYOTA VENZA HYBRID
9,690 TOYOTA SIENNA HYBRID
3,200 TOYOTA RAV4 PRIME
190,392 out of 838,235 or 22.7%
I suspect that the Camry hybrid and Corolla hybrid will make inroads against the Prius. I suppose the Prius is like a neon sign that says you are eco-conscious.
Last edited by PacoMartin; 04-01-2021 at 02:25 PM..
Toyota hybrid sales for 2020 (All of North America) cars
43,525 TOYOTA PRIUS HYBRID - all alternate fuel
33,826 TOYOTA CAMRY HYBRID out of 294,348
17,628 TOYOTA COROLLA HYBRID out of 237,178 total
6,714 TOYOTA AVALON HYBRID out of 18,421
499 TOYOTA MIRAI - all alternate fuel
102,192 out of 608,771 or 16.8%
SUVs
115,974 TOYOTA RAV4 HYBRID
48,455 TOYOTA HIGHLANDER HYBRID
13,073 TOYOTA VENZA HYBRID
9,690 TOYOTA SIENNA HYBRID
3,200 TOYOTA RAV4 PRIME
190,392 out of 838,235 or 22.7%
I suspect that the Camry hybrid and Corolla hybrid will make inroads against the Prius. I suppose the Prius is like a neon sign that says you are eco-conscious.
Prius sales have been falling for years now. But, Toyota keeps on rolling out hybrid powertrain options on their other vehicles, so overall hybrid sales are growing. Heck, Ford even introduced a hybrid edition of the F-150 last fall for the 2021 model year. Hybrids don't generate the press that full-on EVs do, but the options and their sales are quietly growing, nonetheless.
Hybrids don't generate the press that full-on EVs do, but the options and their sales are quietly growing, nonetheless.
2021 RAV4 $26,150 3.3 gal/100mi
2021 RAV4 Hybrid $28,650 (a $2500 option) 2.5 gal/100mi
2021 RAV4 Prime $38,100 (a $10500 option with $7500 irs tax credit) 2.6 gal/100mi & 42 miles on electric
For $2500 you save 0.8 gallons per 100 miles or you save 800 gallons per 100,000 miles.If gasoline is $3/gallons you save $2400 for a $2500 option. Even if you don't drive the RAV4 for 100,000 miles you should get something on resale.
The economics of the hybrid are much clearer than the economics of the plug-in. Especially if you pay an electrician $1000 to $2000 to install a high amperage plug in your garage to power up the car.
The extremely limited range of an all electric car essentially makes it impractical as a primary car IMHO Total Range
2021 RAV4 Hybrid 580 miles $28,650
2021 Nissan Leaf : (40 kW-hr battery ) 149 miles $31,620 ($24,150 with $7500 irs tax credit)
2021 Nissan Leaf : (62 kW-hr battery ) 226 miles $40,520 ($32,970 with $7500 irs tax credit)
Prius sales have been falling for years now. But, Toyota keeps on rolling out hybrid powertrain options on their other vehicles, so overall hybrid sales are growing.
Prius sales peaked in 2012, and Toyota hybrid sales peaked in 2013 until they were surpassed in 2020. So it is a mistake to assume that the rise has been steady. But with the discontinuance of the Yaris, all of the "pure cars" with the exception of sports cars in the Toyota lineup have the option to buy a hybrid.
Toyota Prius
Toyota Camry
Toyota Avalon
Toyota Corolla
In addition there are four SUV/crossover models that come with the hybrid option
Toyota RAV4
Toyota Highlander
Toyota Sienna
Toyota Venza
The remaining four SUV/crossover models do NOT have a hybrid option
C-HR
4 Runner
Sequia
Land Cruiser
2021 RAV4 $26,150 3.3 gal/100mi
2021 RAV4 Hybrid $28,650 (a $2500 option) 2.5 gal/100mi
2021 RAV4 Prime $38,100 (a $10500 option with $7500 irs tax credit) 2.6 gal/100mi & 42 miles on electric
For $2500 you save 0.8 gallons per 100 miles or you save 800 gallons per 100,000 miles.If gasoline is $3/gallons you save $2400 for a $2500 option. Even if you don't drive the RAV4 for 100,000 miles you should get something on resale.
The economics of the hybrid are much clearer than the economics of the plug-in. Especially if you pay an electrician $1000 to $2000 to install a high amperage plug in your garage to power up the car.
The extremely limited range of an all electric car essentially makes it impractical as a primary car IMHO Total Range
2021 RAV4 Hybrid 580 miles $28,650
2021 Nissan Leaf : (40 kW-hr battery ) 149 miles $31,620 ($24,150 with $7500 irs tax credit)
2021 Nissan Leaf : (62 kW-hr battery ) 226 miles $40,520 ($32,970 with $7500 irs tax credit)
The plugin hybrid is by default all wheel drive and its trim levels are comparable to the nicer trims of the standard RAV4, so that's probably the better comparison point. If you're only going for the most basic version of the RAV4, then that doesn't matter, but not all RAV4 sales have been the bare bones LE front-wheel drive versions. Is that economically the smartest choice? Not necessarily, but if you want to do an apples to apples comparison, then it makes sense to do it against AWD and higher trim levels.
The other part of things is that the RAV4 Prime has a lot of power under its hood that no other version of the RAV4 has, and it gives you two major conveniences--the ability to start your day charged up and never have to go to the gas station when used as your daily commuter and very quiet operations if that matters to you.
The Nissan Leaf is not a particularly great EV when it comes to being competitive within its automotive segment. The Chevrolet Bolt and the Tesla models are very competitive for their segments and the sales show that.
The plugin hybrid is by default all wheel drive and its trim levels are comparable to the nicer trims of the standard RAV4, so that's probably the better comparison point. If you're only going for the most basic version of the RAV4, then that doesn't matter, but not all RAV4 sales have been the bare bones LE front-wheel drive versions. Is that economically the smartest choice? Not necessarily, but if you want to do an apples to apples comparison, then it makes sense to do it against AWD and higher trim levels.
The other part of things is that the RAV4 Prime has a lot of power under its hood that no other version of the RAV4 has, and it gives you two major conveniences--the ability to start your day charged up and never have to go to the gas station when used as your daily commuter and very quiet operations if that matters to you.
Thank you for those comments as they make a lot of sense.
If you live in California and you have the money to be the trendiest eco-warrior, the step up from RAV4-Prime to hydrogen cell Toyota Mirai just got a lot easier. The MSRP has dropped by $10K from 2020 and they are providing you with $15K in free fuel. You also get access to a free rental car for up to 21 days during the first three years of ownership if you want to drive to another state. The Mirai has a 400 mile range, but their are only 2 hydrogen refueling stations outside of California.
Thank you for those comments as they make a lot of sense.
If you live in California and you have the money to be the trendiest eco-warrior, the step up from RAV4-Prime to hydrogen cell Toyota Mirai just got a lot easier. The MSRP has dropped by $10K from 2020 and they are providing you with $15K in free fuel. You also get access to a free rental car for up to 21 days during the first three years of ownership if you want to drive to another state. The Mirai has a 400 mile range, but their are only 2 hydrogen refueling stations outside of California.
That's going to be a real tough sell except for people who live really close to a hydrogen fueling station, though I do kind of like the look of the Mirai.
The problem with this is that it offers fewer advantages compared the Prime versions of the Prius or RAV4. Fuel cells are pretty quiet so it shares that and the vehicle is actually a hybrid of sorts as there's actually a substantial onboard battery that helps deliver punchy low-end acceleration and allows for some degree of regenerative braking. However, it doesn't give that convenience of being able to go through weeks or even months without ever having to stop at a refueling station for the average driver. I would like to give it a test drive at some point though!
As for the question on hand, one thing to point out is that all Siennas this year are going to be hybrid because it's the only option offered.
As for the question on hand, one thing to point out is that all Siennas this year are going to be hybrid because it's the only option offered.
That makes three Toyota models that will only be sold as hybrids. The Prius, the Sienna, and the Venza.
For cars, 87% of Toyota sales are the Corolla and the Camry, but less than 10% of sales in those two models are hybrids. The Corolla hybrid is a poor choice for most people, because you can get an entry level Prius for only $1K more and it has double the cargo space.
It looks like the bulk of growth in Toyota hybrids is going to be in the four models of SUVs and Crossovers. The Sienna, the Venza, the RAV4, and the Highlander.
The most popular model that so far does not have a hybrid option is the 4805 lb 4Runner (From $36,765) which takes 5.9 gallons to drive 100 miles. The even heavier Sequoia (From $50,400) and the Land Cruiser (From $85,665) take 6.7-7.1 gal/100 miles
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The problem with this is that it offers fewer advantages compared the Prime versions of the Prius or RAV4. Fuel cells are pretty quiet so it shares that and the vehicle is actually a hybrid of sorts as there's actually a substantial onboard battery that helps deliver punchy low-end acceleration and allows for some degree of regenerative braking. However, it doesn't give that convenience of being able to go through weeks or even months without ever having to stop at a refueling station for the average driver. I would like to give it a test drive at some point though!
I think people who buy a Mirai buy it so they can tell people they drive a car powered by hydrogen. It's like the people who spent $25,000 to buy the first HD televisions at Harrod's.
That makes three Toyota models that will only be sold as hybrids. The Prius, the Sienna, and the Venza.
For cars, 87% of Toyota sales are the Corolla and the Camry, but less than 10% of sales in those two models are hybrids. The Corolla hybrid is a poor choice for most people, because you can get an entry level Prius for only $1K more and it has double the cargo space.
It looks like the bulk of growth in Toyota hybrids is going to be in the four models of SUVs and Crossovers. The Sienna, the Venza, the RAV4, and the Highlander.
The most popular model that so far does not have a hybrid option is the 4805 lb 4Runner (From $36,765) which takes 5.9 gallons to drive 100 miles. The even heavier Sequoia (From $50,400) and the Land Cruiser (From $85,665) take 6.7-7.1 gal/100 miles
I think people who buy a Mirai buy it so they can tell people they drive a car powered by hydrogen. It's like the people who spent $25,000 to buy the first HD televisions at Harrod's.
Yea, the Prius is actually a surprisingly roomy vehicle and there's an interesting niche of people camping in their Prius. I don't think of it as just a "look I'm green" vehicle though it has that as well. The current model is a bit long in the tooth now and is due for an update.
Supposedly the Tundra and Land Cruiser are going to see a new generation debut towards the end of this year and possibly with a hybrid option, but even if that does happen, the late year debut might not amount to much in sales.
The Mirai is definitely an oddity. However, its performance, range, refuel time, costs after incentives, and just overall specifications can compare favorably to similar vehicles of other powertrain types without including much of a gee-whiz early adopter factor. If you live in an area where you're very close to a hydrogen refueling station and you're using the vehicle as mostly a daily commuter, then it can make economic sense for a person to buy over other options due to the various incentives without sacrificing utility, so it's not necessarily a weird splurge vehicle depending on your own circumstances. That is a *very* small niche though because there aren't that many refueling stations so the odds you live very close to one conveniently placed on a route you habitually take is pretty low, but if you're in that niche then this is one of the nicest new cars you can get for the price since it's far more richly appointed than the Camry and can cost thousands less both in purchase price and the refueling costs due to the fuel credits.
I do wonder what happens if your neighborhood hydrogen station shuts down. Or are there is a minimum lifespan guarantee for stations to be up? If there isn't a guaranteed lifespan for the station, I'd think that leasing would be the smart option over purchasing.
Last edited by OyCrumbler; 04-06-2021 at 10:01 AM..
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