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Old 11-19-2010, 12:47 PM
 
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I don't know when they last calibrated the traffic light near my house, or the elevators and escalators I ride on, etc.
Last time I checked, exposure to traffic lights, escalators, and elevators hasn't given anyone cancer.
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Old 11-19-2010, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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Last time I checked, exposure to traffic lights, escalators, and elevators hasn't given anyone cancer.

And scanners aren't going to give anyone cancer. What kind of point are you trying to make here?
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Old 11-19-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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The next time you fly, look around at the people getting on board with you. Then ask yourself how many of them you would be willing to grope the crotch of. I've seen and smelled enough flyers to know there isn't enough money around for me to want to stick my hands in their pants, gloved or not.

I fly out of Atlanta, where the scanner does not use radiation. I have no problem using it, as I find that way preferable to being touched by a stranger.

I don't have a problem with TSA agents in airports. I've never been treated poorly, and am more apt to get a smile in return when I give one. I don't think the goal here should be to make their job harder. Their job sucks already. Take your issues up with Homeland Security.
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Old 11-19-2010, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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I'm thinking all male passengers should pop a Viagra about an hour before their flight, let the TSA agents really earn their keep.
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Old 11-19-2010, 01:11 PM
 
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And scanners aren't going to give anyone cancer. What kind of point are you trying to make here?
The backscatter scanner at my home airport is an xray machine. Xrays give off radiation, radiation is known to cause cancer. I am not sure why you are confused.
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Old 11-19-2010, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If you guys do not want scanned or patted down, what do you want?

Is there some other way to make sure a person doesn't have explosives concealed on their person?

I would rather be patted down than blown into a billion bits.
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Old 11-19-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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Last time I checked, exposure to traffic lights, escalators, and elevators hasn't given anyone cancer.
The point was they are machinery that can cause me harm in a big way if not properly maintained, in this case death/injury.
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:06 PM
 
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The backscatter scanner at my home airport is an xray machine. Xrays give off radiation, radiation is known to cause cancer. I am not sure why you are confused.
He never claimed radiation can't give you cancer, he claimed these scanner machines don't. The bulk of studies done on them so far agree.
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:07 PM
 
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If you guys do not want scanned or patted down, what do you want?

Is there some other way to make sure a person doesn't have explosives concealed on their person?

I would rather be patted down than blown into a billion bits.
What happens at airports now is what many refer to as "security theater." It's a whole lot of show and it isn't keeping anyone any safer. Only 20% of airline cargo is screened. Sure you feel safer that you and your fellow passengers were scanned, patted down, etc. but you are literally sitting on god knows what. Clearly terrorists will use the cargo angle in the future as it is an enormous weak spot in airline security.

The TSA gave up on the "puffers" for detecting explosives which I think they should have fine tuned. Also, my suggestion would be to use more dogs. I usually only see one or two in airports (usually more in customs area). Dogs have a much better success rate of sniffing out explosives, drugs, etc. than a human looking at an image and cost infinitely less than the scanners (also Michael Chertoff doesn't gain financially if you use dogs vs scanners ). Even with the new pat downs, there is still the, er..., human cavity that isn't looked at. And let's hope TSA doesn't go there next! I say bring on the dogs. Let them roam with their handlers from security line to security line. If they detect someone has something, then pull that person over for additional, more invasive screening.

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He never claimed radiation can't give you cancer, he claimed these scanner machines don't. The bulk of studies done on them so far agree.
All xrays give off radiation, health risks are determined by what level and how frequently you are subjected to said radiation. You say the low level is safe, I say it isn't. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one!
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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What happens at airports now is what many refer to as "security theater." It's a whole lot of show and it isn't keeping anyone any safer.
If it was, you probably wouldn't know.

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All xrays give off radiation, health risks are determined by what level and how frequently you are subjected to said radiation. You say the low level is safe, I say it isn't. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one!
Yes, we have established how x-rays work. I'm going by what all the conclusions of independent studies on the actual machines, you go by (I assume) gut feeling, to each their own.

Agree to disagree, and you get first "told you so" rights if people start glowing.
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