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Old 05-15-2013, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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Don has just gone to far, can't stand the guy anymore.
We've been down this road before. Could he have been more detestable than with Bobbie the dancer? Or when he was with the teacher? (In real life, he would have been caught.) And then something happens that brings us back.

He still has a sort of moral code about some things. I think I liked him best when he was with the wife of the real Don Draper in California.
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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They did bring the character of Kinsey back for one episode. Interesting episode in which Harry Crane got a chance to shine as well.

I keep hoping we are going to meet Sal as a successful Hollywood producer, perhaps in conjunction with some sort of TV ad buy. Yes, I did like his character, and I hated to see him go.
Ya, Kinsey joined the Hare Kishners and there was that whole thing with his girlfriend.
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Well, I for one am still wondering when they're bringing back Sal, it's 1968, the summer of love, he must be totally flaming gay by now
The before/after demarcation line for gays coming out in the open was June of 1970 when the Stonewall riots took place in Greenwich Village. Sal has a couple of years of clandestine shame to go before he can contemplate exiting the closet.
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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He still has a sort of moral code about some things. I think I liked him best when he was with the wife of the real Don Draper in California.
She seemed to be the only woman Don ever truly respected to the point of never mistreating her. He used to respect Joan but that evaporated after she whored herself out to the Jaguar executive.

Don does have an oddball moral code, some elements of which he exempts himself from but imposes upon others. He has the artist's sensitivity from which he has developed a sense of integrity about his products. He will sometimes bully others, but is intolerant of seeing others bullying people. He didn't rat out or mock Sal when he discovered his true sexuality. He was infuriated when the others were making fun of the incontinent Freddy, he saw past traditional roles and opened the door for Peggy's career in the creative department and he was the only one who was offended by the idea of using Joan to land the Jaguar account. Don gets angry when he sees people being robbed of their dignity, but he will sometimes be the agent of stripping someone of their dignity. He is a complicated fellow.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:04 AM
 
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Was there ever any background explanation of whyDon switched identities in the first place when his friend was killed in the war? Other than he had a difficult childhood and evidently never bonded with any family members, even his half brother. It seemed like that was a spur of the moment decision, fairly easy to accomplish at the time in desperation, and an easy exit from being "a Whitman".

He did seem to be normal and rational when he was able to visit the "real" Don's wife, and acted more like a husband to her. I'm no psychologist, lol! but his having a relationship with her was some kind of "transfer" that legitimized him (in his mind) temporarily. Her death put an end to the "Don Draper" connection and since then, he's been out on a limb.

Maybe once he gets back to being Dick Whitman and the truth comes out about the identity switch, that will be where the show ends. Don Draper falling in symbolism only, not in death. With Dick Whitman rising.

Maybe a happy ending? Who ends up with Joan? Roger or Don.
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Southern Ontario
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She seemed to be the only woman Don ever truly respected to the point of never mistreating her. He used to respect Joan but that evaporated after she whored herself out to the Jaguar executive.

Don does have an oddball moral code, some elements of which he exempts himself from but imposes upon others. He has the artist's sensitivity from which he has developed a sense of integrity about his products. He will sometimes bully others, but is intolerant of seeing others bullying people. He didn't rat out or mock Sal when he discovered his true sexuality. He was infuriated when the others were making fun of the incontinent Freddy, he saw past traditional roles and opened the door for Peggy's career in the creative department and he was the only one who was offended by the idea of using Joan to land the Jaguar account. Don gets angry when he sees people being robbed of their dignity, but he will sometimes be the agent of stripping someone of their dignity. He is a complicated fellow.
Those are the qualities that got me hooked on watching Don Draper. He is hard to understand and hard to pin down. I keep watching because I want to learn more about him.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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Was there ever any background explanation of whyDon switched identities in the first place when his friend was killed in the war?

Yeah, he wanted to get the hell out of Korea. Don Draper was a short timer who was set to ship out in a few days, so when he was blown to bits by a mortar, Dick took his tags and pretended to be him.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:20 AM
 
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Yeah, he wanted to get the hell out of Korea. Don Draper was a short timer who was set to ship out in a few days, so when he was blown to bits by a mortar, Dick took his tags and pretended to be him.

Oh... I'll have to go back and reply that episode. You're saying Don has always been a coward; I can see that in him too. He's such a sham.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Oh... I'll have to go back and reply that episode. You're saying Don has always been a coward; I can see that in him too. He's such a sham.
I don't know that he's a coward as much as an opportunist.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:34 AM
 
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well, in his defense, a lot of guys wanted to get out of Korea. Most of these guys were drafted and none of them wanted to be there in the first place, they just wanted to serve their time, stay alive, and go home in one piece
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