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Old 04-15-2022, 08:50 AM
 
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Hard to predict how this will happen. I suspect that Saul won't have any interaction with Walt and Jesse. You remember from BB that Walt didn't know anything about Saul until Jesse told him he needed him.

https://youtu.be/jvlEqAjg8aU
I wonder if it will be in the form of a flash forward that gives some context to something happening in season 6. It could just be a simple cameo like one of the two of them being in the background of a scene, but that would seem a little cheap and out of character for the show.

I'm almost finished with season 2 in a rewatch and I forgot how much I enjoyed it the first time around.
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Old 04-15-2022, 09:46 AM
 
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Yes, we just finished rewatching Season 5. I know that everyone's interested in what happens with Kim (so are we), but it's also quite striking that she is also not a good person.
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Old 04-15-2022, 10:25 AM
 
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Yes, we just finished rewatching Season 5. I know that everyone's interested in what happens with Kim (so are we), but it's also quite striking that she is also not a good person.
I think that's a bit overly simplistic. The thing about both BREAKING BAD and BETTER CALL SAUL: These are not stories about good guys in white hats and evil villains in black hats. The good guys aren't always so good. The bad guys aren't always all bad. I think Kim is basically a good person who has made some very bad choices at times.

BREAKING BAD was essentially about how a decent, boring guy became a true monster.

BETTER CALL SAUL is actually more complex. Jimmy was not a decent guy at all. He was a lovable miscreant, who actually tries to become a good guy. And the main reason he keeps failing is that the supposedly "good" people in his life (who aren't really good, but only want to appear to be good), keep dragging him down. Kim is actually the one good person in his life who believes in him, and tragically, he seems to be dragging her down into his mess.

The ultimate point of both shows is a great one: Good and evil aren't intrinsic. They are the result of the choices we make. If a good person does enough bad things, when does that person cease to be good? Can that person be redeemed? If a bad person does bad things for good reasons, or if a bad person does enough good things, then is that person truly bad?
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Old 04-15-2022, 02:40 PM
 
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I think that's a bit overly simplistic. The thing about both BREAKING BAD and BETTER CALL SAUL: These are not stories about good guys in white hats and evil villains in black hats. The good guys aren't always so good. The bad guys aren't always all bad. I think Kim is basically a good person who has made some very bad choices at times.

BREAKING BAD was essentially about how a decent, boring guy became a true monster.

BETTER CALL SAUL is actually more complex. Jimmy was not a decent guy at all. He was a lovable miscreant, who actually tries to become a good guy. And the main reason he keeps failing is that the supposedly "good" people in his life (who aren't really good, but only want to appear to be good), keep dragging him down. Kim is actually the one good person in his life who believes in him, and tragically, he seems to be dragging her down into his mess.

The ultimate point of both shows is a great one: Good and evil aren't intrinsic. They are the result of the choices we make. If a good person does enough bad things, when does that person cease to be good? Can that person be redeemed? If a bad person does bad things for good reasons, or if a bad person does enough good things, then is that person truly bad?
Do you do one of those YouTube videos predicting what season 6 will bring?

The stuff you posted sound like some of their analysis.
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Old 04-15-2022, 02:50 PM
 
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Do you do one of those YouTube videos predicting what season 6 will bring?

The stuff you posted sound like some of their analysis.
Mark has Amazing insight on a lot of good shows. I would watch or read anything he puts out
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Old 04-15-2022, 09:08 PM
 
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I think that's a bit overly simplistic. The thing about both BREAKING BAD and BETTER CALL SAUL: These are not stories about good guys in white hats and evil villains in black hats. The good guys aren't always so good. The bad guys aren't always all bad. I think Kim is basically a good person who has made some very bad choices at times.

BREAKING BAD was essentially about how a decent, boring guy became a true monster.

BETTER CALL SAUL is actually more complex. Jimmy was not a decent guy at all. He was a lovable miscreant, who actually tries to become a good guy. And the main reason he keeps failing is that the supposedly "good" people in his life (who aren't really good, but only want to appear to be good), keep dragging him down. Kim is actually the one good person in his life who believes in him, and tragically, he seems to be dragging her down into his mess.
I think that's a reasonable point, up until the bolded language above, and that's what I think people miss about Kim. Sure, she was a solid worker at the firm at the very beginning, but she really got into cheating that guy at the hotel when she went there with Jimmy. I get that she was doing it for the thrill, but the top of the tequila (?) bottle was almost the only thing she took with her when she left Davis and Main, indicating how important it was to her.

She was also the one who wanted (and maybe still wants) to actually destroy Howard. We'll see how that plays out this season.

In other words, not a good person. Everyone has their reasons, but clearly not a good person.

Also, as a lawyer for over forty years, these are two people who have no business ever practicing law. Even their minor lies, deceptions, and indiscretions should result in their losing their licenses, to say nothing of how embedded in the business of the cartel and Walt Jimmy gets in Breaking Bad.
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Old 04-16-2022, 09:49 AM
 
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I think that's a reasonable point, up until the bolded language above, and that's what I think people miss about Kim. Sure, she was a solid worker at the firm at the very beginning, but she really got into cheating that guy at the hotel when she went there with Jimmy. I get that she was doing it for the thrill, but the top of the tequila (?) bottle was almost the only thing she took with her when she left Davis and Main, indicating how important it was to her.

She was also the one who wanted (and maybe still wants) to actually destroy Howard. We'll see how that plays out this season.

In other words, not a good person. Everyone has their reasons, but clearly not a good person.

Also, as a lawyer for over forty years, these are two people who have no business ever practicing law. Even their minor lies, deceptions, and indiscretions should result in their losing their licenses, to say nothing of how embedded in the business of the cartel and Walt Jimmy gets in Breaking Bad.
I thought it was Jimmy that left Davis & Main and Kim left Schwiekert & Cokeley (sp?) - ??

Can something really bad happen to that CEO of Mesa Verde Bank guy? Just for laughs?
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Old 04-16-2022, 02:26 PM
 
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Jimmy left D&M and Kim left HHM to start their practice together. Kim had an offer from S&C but turned it down.
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Old 04-17-2022, 09:34 AM
 
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Right, got the firm names wrong.
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Old 04-17-2022, 11:22 AM
 
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Jimmy left D&M and Kim left HHM to start their practice together. Kim had an offer from S&C but turned it down.
I think she did work for S&C. Remember when she spoke that little schewikert guy out in front of his receptionist? Then had to kiss butt and apologize the next day? The party Schweikert threw when Jimmy tried to talk him into taking his entire firm to Aspen?




Then she quit to do pro bono legal work?
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