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@Sawdustmaker Great post and you summed up exactly how I feel.
What bothers me most about this show is the fact her family came on t.v. just to gang up on her. I never heard Teresa bad mouth her family on the show or go out of her way to bring up their personal business. Her brother allows these people from his own wife, to his in laws, and random people to disrespect Teresa. I am not saying Teresa is Ms. Innocent, but they are stronger in numbers, than alone. The only time they see fit to talk about Teresa is when she does something that they equally do.
Why are Kathy and Rich mad? Plain and simple. They want to be in the drama just because. They have no real dog in this fight, and she used this show and embarassing her family to start up a business and make money. How pathetic
I feel bad for Teresa (even though some of it may just be Karma for being too loyal to Caroline and fighting with Danielle) because this stems from Joe a lot of it does. I understand she is an old school wife and stands by her husband, just like Joe Gorga's wife stands by him. Teresa is doing the best that she can with a lowlife husband. Who cheats, steals, fakes his business acumen, and everything else under the sun. God bless her because I do hope she pulls through. Joe hid a lot from her and that is not her fault and she shouldn't be blamed for
Joe Gorga forgets when the media called him out on the money he owed on his house. I am pretty sure money has gone between the family to help pay bills. So why bother bringing it up? Joe Gorga wants Teresa to grovel to him and she shouldn't have to. How many times have we seen Teresa tell Joe to stop fighting with her brother? How many times has Teresa asked her brother Joe to forgive her and she has said she is sorry on several occasions. She can only do but so much with what she has
Melissa, Joe, Kathy, Jacqueline, and everyone else is having a ball watching Teresa go through hell and trying to keep her head up above the water. It's a shame
@Sawdustmaker Great post and you summed up exactly how I feel.
What bothers me most about this show is the fact her family came on t.v. just to gang up on her. I never heard Teresa bad mouth her family on the show or go out of her way to bring up their personal business. Her brother allows these people from his own wife, to his in laws, and random people to disrespect Teresa. I am not saying Teresa is Ms. Innocent, but they are stronger in numbers, than alone. The only time they see fit to talk about Teresa is when she does something that they equally do.
Why are Kathy and Rich mad? Plain and simple. They want to be in the drama just because. They have no real dog in this fight, and she used this show and embarassing her family to start up a business and make money. How pathetic
I feel bad for Teresa (even though some of it may just be Karma for being too loyal to Caroline and fighting with Danielle) because this stems from Joe a lot of it does. I understand she is an old school wife and stands by her husband, just like Joe Gorga's wife stands by him. Teresa is doing the best that she can with a lowlife husband. Who cheats, steals, fakes his business acumen, and everything else under the sun. God bless her because I do hope she pulls through. Joe hid a lot from her and that is not her fault and she shouldn't be blamed for
Joe Gorga forgets when the media called him out on the money he owed on his house. I am pretty sure money has gone between the family to help pay bills. So why bother bringing it up? Joe Gorga wants Teresa to grovel to him and she shouldn't have to. How many times have we seen Teresa tell Joe to stop fighting with her brother? How many times has Teresa asked her brother Joe to forgive her and she has said she is sorry on several occasions. She can only do but so much with what she has
Melissa, Joe, Kathy, Jacqueline, and everyone else is having a ball watching Teresa go through hell and trying to keep her head up above the water. It's a shame
Joe Guidice, IMO, seems to have changed a lot since season 1 (and for me, I can see why) - when he was all "happy wife, happy life", but I thought I remembered reading somewhere that he really didn't want to be on the show or a "story line" from day one - refusing to do talking heads. Now, I don't remember if he's done them in the past, the only husbands who seem to are Richie and Joe Gorga. Has Al ever done them?
I believe Juicy changed because everything starting hitting the fan towards the end of season 1; the financial house of cards he and Teresa built together was coming apart and now that they were on the show, it would be more public than in the local legal newspaper. Juicy always had a machismo way about him but I think as time has gone on it is wearing thin
I wonder if the "shut up" and short answers he was giving Teresa was because he knew there was a camera in the car and he wanted nothing to do with the conversation Teresa was trying to have with him due to that fact (that there was a camera in the car).
The reason why I'm not on the Joe Guidice is a horrible excuse for everything and everything bandwagon is for two reasons:
1. Bravo Andy has had it out for both of them since season 1. Agree to disagree. I think Danielle was the whipping girl for Andy initially. If anything, initially, Andy indulged Teresa's over-the-top behavior and Teresa reveled in it.
2. Where is the focus on everyone else's personal issues? Financial, family, and otherwise....that doesn't include the Guidice's?
The Guidices financial troubles made the news, both legitimate news and gossip. If one portrays a certain lifestyle (eg, shelling out 100 bills for furniture, spending thousands of dollars for a child's party)and they cannot back it up and file bankruptcy and whatever other financial misdeeds, couple that with "famous/ celebrity" it will make news.
For example, RHOA--when Sheree got booted out of her home it made news. When Nene and Greg were evicted from their rental it made news and they were called out on it.
I think the difference is Teresa does not know how to "spin" things. Let's be real, Teresa is not the brightest bulb and she does not articulate well. Do we always believe the spin of the other housewives-Not necessarily, but Teresa does not usually help herself when she speaks.
And remember Teresa is giving interviews to In-Style, People or whatever magazine will pay her, she puts herself out there so again, she has to take the good with the bad.
The cookbook comments. Give me a break. Everyone else (the ADULT Manzo children, Caroline, Richie, Melissa, Al, Kathy, Joe Gorga) can make nasty comments and call them "jokes". That's ok. Teresa does it and it's all "burn the beyotch at the stake?". How does that even work?
I am thinking the cookbook is not the place is to make snide remarks about your family or castmates, that what the reunion show or the cut aways during the show are for. If you are supposedly mending fences with your brother and SIL, why bash them in your family cookbook?
What exactly are Kathy and Richie so upset about anyway? That Teresa said she'd like Richie to stop making lame jokes at her expense?
What was Saint Caroline so upset about, that she already hadn't heard? Did she miss all the "jokes" her wonderful Crittifer and Albie the law school drop out (or kicked out of) had made about the Guidice's? She was really THAT insulted that Teresa said she wouldn't want her girls stripping at a car wash? Caroline is lucky Teresa didn't make reference to finding one of Caroline's relatives in the trunk of a car. No one can question what the Manzo's do, but the Manzo's can question/make fun of/hand out unsolicited advice to anyone they want to?
Caroline's all about family and how horrible Teresa is to hers (Melissa and Joe)- well, let's get in to why Dina isn't speaking to Caroline, and apparently another sibling of hers isn't either and hasn't for a decade. Why isn't that an issue being addressed? Because Caroline won't go there...and no one else better either....so she'd rather talk about someone else. I wonder how Caroline feels about the governor suspending her husband from his position as Water Commissioner for lying? When's that going to be discussed on the show?
Apparently there is footage from season 3 that was edited out (trip to the DR) due to ongoing litigation. Where Caroline's precious babies beat up a police officer from Chicago....because Teresa (it's always Teresa's fault) shook up a bottle of champagne and some of it sprayed in the face of a woman who happened to have two sons right there, who are both cops from Chicago. The Cop brothers had an issue with it, even after an apology, and apparently Caroline's sons got involved in a physical altercation with the cops. Rumor has it that Caroline blames the champagne shaker, and not the ones who got in to a physical altercation (her boys), for the incident. I agree with you on this, I remember when this story first broke, it appears it was Teresa and Juicy that "started" this with the some other vacationing family and it got into a brawl with the Guidices, Albie and Chris vs. the other family. This was never addressed on the reunion show or on the show. But again it is who is handling PR
Jacqueline - didn't she smack Caroline in the face a few years back - because Caroline had a "few things" to say about how Jackie was parenting her kid? Good thing that didn't happen while they were a part of RHW. I wish it was on the show, would have loved to see Jacqueline slug her.
When Jacqueline was friendly with Danielle and it was a problem for Caroline....did Teresa jump on Caroline's bandwagon? No, she supported Jacqueline and remained friends with Caroline. Is it Jacqueline or Caroline's place to insert themselves into what is going on/what has gone on between Teresa and her brother's family? No. It's not. It has NOTHING to do with either of them. I agree. Caroline is controlling. "If I don't like someone, you, as my family or friend, should not like them either. But to be fair, Teresa is the same way. I believe that is one of the reasons Teresa and her cousin Kathy are at odds; Teresa does not like Melissa and she believes Kathy should side with her.
Melissa drives me nuts. Didn't she say when she and Joe first got married the could barely afford pampers (to deflect being a gold digger), but he bought her a "shore house" when she was pregnant with her first? Which is it?
Didn't it come to light that Melissa was Danielle's "source" for dirt on Teresa? The reason why Teresa shoved Wonky-Eyed Andy back in his hostess chair during the first reunion and got in Danielle's face screaming "don't talk about my family" (or close to)? Yeah, Melissa is all light and innocence. Not even CLOSE.
I don't blame Melissa. Why? If Teresa was treating me the way she treats Melissa, I would want to fight back with whatever was at my disposal, in this instance, it was Danielle. Teresa was talking about how family is so important yet she is doing some ugly things to her own brother and his family.
Teresa does not like her SIL, fine, but she is actively trying to break up a marriage, her niece and nephews home, that is not exactly angelic behavior. If Melissa is a gold digger, so be it. The deal is sealed, they are married. If Joe the brother is happy, then it is what it is until he wakes up and sees it. That is, if it is true Melissa doesn't love him-Teresa needs to leave it be and let it play out on its own.
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This last episode was annoying.
Black Water looks disgusting. Isn't there some sort of legal issue surrounding the "boys" regarding BLK water too? I don't want to watch walking commercials/billboards for the crap on RHWNJ.
If MY kid was 20-ish, living at home, came home with hair bleached white, puffed up lips....where is she getting her money from? The show? Get your own apartment or go back to school. Not Vegas. Not daddy's place in Texas. Jacqueline has screwed Ashley up so badly her blog this week had me laughing out loud....who is SHE to speak about how Teresa should do ANYTHING with her kids? Mamma Caroline ain't no example of a mother who raised her kids to be well adjusted independent types either.
If my brother EVER brought up money he had lent me on TV...I'd kill him. I'm not surprised Teresa reacted the way she did, given the fact that Teresa had hushed her husband after Joe Guidice had brought up lending Joe Gorga money in an episode.
Kathy and Richie can keep their sex life to themselves, thanks. Nice try to stay relevant, but please, no more!!!
Aunt Maria (Kathy's mom) - she hit the nail on the head. Stop talking about family. She was so disgusted with the BS. Teresa's own brother LOVES it. Well, Teresa talked about family negatively in her cookbook, not but Teresa drew "blood" in her cookbook after everything was supposedly squared away with her brother and her SIL so Teresa is keeping the drama going or re-started.
Kathy does have some common sense, I think she is the most normal, but until she removes herself from Melissa's and Caroline's collective rear-ends....no hope for her. Why doesn't she do what Dina did? Be interesting in her own way? I'd rather watch Dina and her cats any day than Melissa trying to pretend she has some sort of career in singing.
Why is Rosie on the show?
I was NEVER a Teresa fan, can't say that I am now, I just don't like the ganging up that has taken place. Especially when those who are tossing out those stones have bones made of glass and paper for skin (thanks Spongebob)
I did like Teresa initially even though I thought she was shallow but I always thought she loved family, but to see how she has been acting lately I won't say I dislike her now, but I see an insecure and petty, person. Teresa exhibited those traits when things were going well, but now thnigs are rough those same traits don't look pretty or becoming (never really do, whether times are good or bad, really)
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The problem is this situation is REAL. This is a real family and real issues and if it is every to get resolved I don't think TV is the place for it to get resolved. But I will admit I cannot help myself watching this show.
Great post, but it wouldn't explain why she ganged up on Danielle and she did gang up on her big Time.. Mostly by herself..
I think Teresa was the most vocal...but I don't remember her leading the witch hunt against Danielle. I thought it was more Caroline and it started with the "book" that Danielle's ex wrote that Danielle was included in (apparently the book told how Danielle was part of a kidnapping, doing lot of drugs/dealing, a stripper/escort) and Caroline passed around the hair salon they all went to.
At the end of season 1 (maybe), with the table flipping incident....if I remember correctly ( I didn't watch the recent marathon), Danielle was focused on Caroline/Dina. Didn't that episode end with Jacqueline basically calling Dina a liar?
Now, I'm not sure if Teresa flipping that table and calling Danielle a "prostitution *****", made Danielle focus on Teresa and happily use what Melissa was feeding Danielle about Teresa and Joe's personal issues is what led Teresa to have a huge issue with her, or if Teresa was always on the "I hate Danielle" for no good reason bandwagon from the get-go. Like Caroline always seemed to be.
I didn't watch the marathon that was on recently....so I can't really say for sure. I just don't remember Teresa leading the gang-up on Danielle, and didn't really go after Danielle until Danielle started swinging low.
That might have something to do with the fact that I loved Caroline and Dina...was iffy about Jacqueline, couldn't stand Danielle, and paid NO attention to Teresa in the first 2 seasons.
only speculation--but barring mental illness why IS he so gung ho on having her around?????
Didn't he tell her that she had one day to leave while Jax couldn't even take part in that convo with her own daughter, yet was playing with her baby chanting: "make the right choice, make the right choice"...while Chris was giving Ashley that one-day (24 hour) time frame to pack up and get herself to Vegas?
Teresa is her own person - I will never feel pity for the Twit, nor her Hubby. How come everyone has turned on her - there are reasons. And I betcha' it's all Teresa's doing. Woe is Me Teresa...
Bad parenting and A hubby who is a crook. Both deserve one another. Fakes, who want to live the High Life!!!!
Chris told Ashley that she has to leave for Vegas how is that wanting to keep her around? Eh I dont feel bad for Teresa, she is willing to do anything for money bc her dead beat husband is a lose...so shes trying to keep her family afloat financially. I believe that Teresa is jealous of Melissa her Joe works, provides for his family and overall they seem happy. Speaking on the Danielle issue it seemed like she knew the drama btwn the Gorgas and the Guidices and Teresa hated her for it. If any of you remember the reunion of season 2 Danielle mentioned Teresa not congratulating Melissa on the birth of her baby.
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