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Old 01-16-2021, 01:37 PM
 
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Why Mainstream Science Rejects The Validity of UFOs.

People fear the unknown. This is human nature; cavemen feared what was making noises at night in the wilderness. They feared creatures they had never seen before. They feared other tribes with weapons that could kill more effectively than anything else known at that time. These fears have remained with us and will remain forever. They helped to keep us alive in the face of unfamiliar threats from unknown animals, people or weapons. What about now? The answer is the same: Fear of the unknown, but on a much broader scale. We fear what we have never seen, what we don't understand, the lack of communication, the fear of finding out what is expected of us, the fear that we might not want to surrender what others demand; these are common fears that people have about UFOs.

These are fears most people would have in discussing their feelings about UFOs. But there are other fears that exist among highly-trained professionals with advanced training and education in the sciences, education, medicine, engineering and other area where extra years of education and qualifying experience are required. What fears do they have? The short answer is, everybody has fears of not being needed, of feeling obsolete.

If aliens do land here and we move to communicate with them and are successful, what then? We tell them about us and they tell us about themselves. What would they reveal, would there be surprises? Absolutely. We would certainly ask about issues we had yet to resolve: about ourselves, DNA coding, diseases, age, mental acuity, what some refer to as their "higher power"; and most of all, the universe. We would want to know answers to questions about the evolution of the universe; its size; how many other civilizations exist; will the universe extend forever?

There is a belief that aliens, having come from a great distance, and very likely existing from billions of years past, would have infinite knowledge, reasoning, technology, abilities and skills we could not imagine. If we become aware that these aliens possess such attributes, would we not want to exploit their capabilities, would we not want to ask the deep questions that have vexed us for centuries?

If these aliens are amicable and open to sharing what they know with us, what are the implications? What would life be like one year following an open sharing of alien support with earthlings? The fear that highly-trained professionals might have, is that, with aliens offering what they know and what they can train us to understand and use, will there be a need for areas of study mentioned above? If earthlings, with a brief period of orientation and familiarization with new skills and machinery, are able to operate on the level that the aliens have and were able to impart to us, will there be a need for the traditional positions we have revered for ages, since men learned to live alongside other men? If we earth people can learn what the aliens are able to teach us, will we still have a need for doctors, astronomers, engineers, teachers, etc.? If the aliens are mostly training us to wave a "magic wand" thru the air and say the magic words, "Open, sesame", will there be a need for highly-trained people?

Perhaps there will still be a need for "degreed-professionals" to function in another format, and perhaps the aliens will make it simple to re-train these people for other occupations; we can certainly hope so. But, that future is not what occupies our thoughts here. We are speculating on what confrontations there will be if and when aliens arrive and all our backs are against the wall waiting for the "new people" to tell us what their agenda is. I doubt astronomers and physicists would conceal irrefutable evidence of alien spacecraft as observed thru a telescope or alien communications from outer space. I do believe they would be very concerned about trying to disprove what they could not, that the observations are authentic and undeniable; whether they appear as visible sightings of unknown spacecraft or as transmissions, whether by radio or other means, they would be working very hard to disprove what their senses are telling them: it is alien, it is intelligent and the world needs to know about it. I believe they would be in touch with every observatory in the world to get other opinions and when everyone else is saying the same thing, the astronomers and physicists would be working on agreements not to reveal anything until as many governments as possible have been informed about the developments. I also believe the "experts" would agree to leave the briefing of the world to each government, to not involve the scientific community. If there was to be a problem with the revelation, they don't want to be mentioned in the story; leave it to individual governments to rationalize it, if they want; science is no forum for politics.

The speculation includes the concerns of professionals who are wondering, "What will become of them when the aliens land?" I believe that many professionals are thinking in a protective mode as to their status when aliens land and begin explaining their plans for us. I believe that professionals, especially astronomers and physicists, who deal regularly with the forces that operate here on earth and also govern what we understand to be the "knowable universe", are on the "outer edge" of exploring the question, "Are we alone?" I believe they are very concerned, regardless of whether it is rational or not, about what happens when the first alien spaceship is discovered traveling thru space and appears to be heading our way. Their concern is not likely whether the observation of an apparent alien craft is real or not; their concern, I believe, is more along the lines of, "What happens to me, now?" I believe their concern, and they will be among the first to form this question, is "We were really wrong, weren't we? The ships are here, they're real; how can I explain this and not support UFO believers?"

Of course, this is all imaginary, this is all just for giggles, but I do believe that everyone, especially those who refute the existence of UFOs are fearful of what aliens will want from us when they arrive; highly-trained professionals, especially in the sciences, are defensive in the rear of their minds about how they will deal with the approach of alien spacecraft, as we have seen in many "sci-fi" films, such as "Independence Day" and other epic productions. What will the astronomers say? They won't be able to explain it away as "An inverted cloud formation"; "The planet Venus"; "Merely a weather balloon"; "Are you drunk?"; "The aurora borealis, appearing much farther south than it usually does, and out-of-season". Is it possible our long-revered professionals might consider a career change, something with a future after the aliens have settled in?

but, i could be wrong!
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Old 01-16-2021, 08:07 PM
 
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OK, then what happens if the aliens are not amicable? Then the scientists will be the ones we need to find solutions to our 'problem'.

There are so many "IF"s that it is pretty useless to speculate because there are numerous possible positive aspects and numerous possible negative aspects of the situation. The drama films we already have are portraying scenes which may unfold, but there could be so many others not yet thought of. Unfortunately, we dont have heroes who ride in on their white horse - thats the stuff of fairy stories, so no-one is going to come save us. Anyone thinking their God will pop up and wave their staff and things will be OK is living in total lala land.

So, my take on all this is that scientists are pretty good for the next few years, but like everyone else they need to seriously look at consciousness as the way forward for humans. That is where all the science, religion, etc answers lie.
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Old 01-21-2021, 04:30 PM
 
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I wouldn’t say that mainstreaming science rejects UFO’s. On the contrary, the widely held belief is that intelligent life is out there somewhere. What is being dismissed, is the claim that we are being surrounded by aliens and that we are constantly being visited.
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Old 01-21-2021, 05:08 PM
 
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No hard evidence. Just grainy out of focus photos and videos of stuff that you think are aliens and spaceships. And questionable testimony from folks who are pranking us, trying to make money, or just plain of unfit mind.
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Old 01-21-2021, 10:04 PM
 
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Why there isn’t clear evidence for any of the following: UFOs, Ghosts, Bigfoot, Lizard people, etc? People all over the world strongly believe in these and many other supernatural creatures, but nobody can bring any CLEAR, undeniable evidence? Why are all flying soccers seen from distance, in fuzzy pics, videos and descriptions? Why not bring a flying soccer with the greys or aliens to the front of the White House and invite the media? Why only remote grainy pics of “something big and hairy” instead of bringing Bigfoot itself to London and introducing the beast to the public? Not hundreds of them, just one.... Instead of the fixation on an incident from 1947 in Area 51, why not bring today’s greys for an interview? Let them explain who they are and what they want...
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Old 01-21-2021, 11:40 PM
 
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No hard evidence. Just grainy out of focus photos and videos of stuff that you think are aliens and spaceships. And questionable testimony from folks who are pranking us, trying to make money, or just plain of unfit mind.
Our Govt has MUCH better video footage of these things! (they come right out and admit this for petes sake!...A couple of the recently released NSA 'UFO' documents mention an investigation at the South Pole circa 1940s, where they filmed these craft coming and going from the atmosphere!) LOL



The catch is, the general public is not privy to them, they are deemed 'national security issues' and never see the light of day.
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Old 01-22-2021, 06:40 PM
 
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Too many people in denial and a few on here(above) too.

Yes, it IS scary, but you guys will have to confront your fears one day and the older you get, the more difficult it will be to accept. The scientific mind in most of our scientists is so rigid and blinkered that it is a wonder we discover anything new these days. Coupled with that, the ones who follow science as their 'god' are also blinkered. However, there are a few who want to push the boundaries of possibility, but not many.

OK, let me ask you this... How do you determine who or what is piloting these craft? That is just one of the many questions which science is NOT addressing in order to find proof. Science begins with witness testimony and we have plenty of that so where is the science? Where are the hypotheses?
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Old 01-22-2021, 11:21 PM
 
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Too many people in denial and a few on here(above) too.

Yes, it IS scary, but you guys will have to confront your fears one day and the older you get, the more difficult it will be to accept. The scientific mind in most of our scientists is so rigid and blinkered that it is a wonder we discover anything new these days. Coupled with that, the ones who follow science as their 'god' are also blinkered. However, there are a few who want to push the boundaries of possibility, but not many.

OK, let me ask you this... How do you determine who or what is piloting these craft? That is just one of the many questions which science is NOT addressing in order to find proof. Science begins with witness testimony and we have plenty of that so where is the science? Where are the hypotheses?
I imagine they have already answered that question years ago (we we are not privy to the details), just consider how many different 'UFO projects' our Govt and military have had over the years! (plus the ones we do not know about too!)


Its almost like we are starting over from scratch, this 'senate investigative committee' to look into the phenomena...but they have MOUNTAINS of data from the previous projects just sitting locked up!! (If they want answers so bad, why not declassify everything and let the public see what they have hidden over the years?) It doesnt make sense to start all over, when this has already been done.
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Old 01-23-2021, 01:40 AM
 
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Why there isn’t clear evidence for any of the following: UFOs, Ghosts, Bigfoot, Lizard people, etc? People all over the world strongly believe in these and many other supernatural creatures, but nobody can bring any CLEAR, undeniable evidence? Why are all flying soccers seen from distance, in fuzzy pics, videos and descriptions? Why not bring a flying soccer with the greys or aliens to the front of the White House and invite the media? Why only remote grainy pics of “something big and hairy” instead of bringing Bigfoot itself to London and introducing the beast to the public? Not hundreds of them, just one.... Instead of the fixation on an incident from 1947 in Area 51, why not bring today’s greys for an interview? Let them explain who they are and what they want...
Exactly. I think that a lot of people let their imagination run wild. It might be a desire to see these things. The discovery of alien life would be monumental, which probably explains why there are constant reports about it. The other ones, on the other hand, like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster are dead ends. If these species existed, then there would have to be some kind of evidence supporting their presence. What role would they play in the ecosystem? Do they have any family members? It would be odd for a species of that size to live a solitary life. Where is its mate?
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Old 01-23-2021, 05:15 AM
 
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For Loch Ness Monster, one of the most recent investigations took eDNA from the loch at various points and had it analysed - only to find most likely an eel was the culprit of these sightings.

HOWEVER, unless you have a reference DNA sample in your database, you cannot make a definite match. So, the next question is, how do they expect to find Loch Ness Monster if they have not got a reference of Loch Ness Monster DNA in their database? Of course, to make it more credible, it was analysed by numerous international independent Universities, none of which had Loch Ness Monster DNA in their databases (but DID have eel DNA there). Needless to say, there was some undetermined unidentified DNA found.

So, it appears as if it is a huge con to get funding for the New Zealand professor and his department who did the study and research.
Link to CD thread

If you dont believe me, look it up.
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