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Old 06-03-2021, 01:42 PM
 
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They can adjust the thrust to the independent rotors to achieve those effects.

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/the-physics-of-drones/

Hypersonic cruise missiles and UAVs have been around for over 50 years.

We started to see amphibious and underwater UFO's a few years after the US acknowledged their development.
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Old 06-03-2021, 04:49 PM
 
Location: PRC
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However clear as it gets, there are always going to be two sides to this. One side says that US scientists have come up with sparkling new technology and the other side says it was introduced. Technology can easily be introduced into an already developing stream of technology. No-one would know about it apart from the few people (literally one or two) who were there at the hand-over. The part was analysed and report written and the technology developed. Yes, I am sure we can 'trace' the technology from development to production, but that does not show us new stuff was not introduced as has been claimed. It is the testing and refining that is time shrunk by this process.

Reports have pointed to a meeting by presidents and ETs. Of course we cannot prove many of these things, but there is that 'broken tooth' event which is supposed to be a meeting between the President and ET and if some deal was worked out, that may have initiated a working together of the different technologies.

What of the time line of UFO reports? The technology is progressing, yes, we have rocket technology with flames shooting out the base of the craft but soon there is new silent method of transport with no flames shooting out the base of the craft. This kind of development takes years and years of testing and refining before the technology is mature, yet...we have it almost immediately the craft stop shooting flames out their base. How convenient.
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Old 06-03-2021, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Wrong, the US technology has almost all been dependent on foreign nationals and acquiring foreign tech to get our aerospace tech up to par. The Russians had us beat in the 50s and we had to go and use NAZI scientists.

Our space program was spearheaded by the leader of the NAZI science division.

The last few decades we've gotten tech from Israelis, Swedes, French, and hardly any American minds. The head of our atomic division got the atomic idea from Indian historical docs and Italian and Jewish scientists.

So many Americans like you think America is the greatest, this is simply American egos and not the truth.

Crazy post is crazy.
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Old 06-03-2021, 07:09 PM
 
Location: PRC
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It IS true that German scientists were inserted into positions within the US industrial complex just after the war. so there is no doubt about that. Von Braun was a top Nazi scientist who developed rockets for them during the war and for the NASA Moon shots afterwards.

Morally, this might be dodgy doing this, and I am sure some of the scientists were used by MKULTRA-type projects for experiments about splitting personalities for US military use. Those were war criminals who were not prosecuted for killing many people.

Anyway, they are all dead now after 75 years. Society advancement is built on top of those who came before.
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Old 06-04-2021, 06:02 AM
 
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A pre-report was released on the local news this morning about these UFOs. It stated that these are not objects from another planet, however, we do not know who they are what they are. Seems like a typical bureaucratic response, bureaucracies thumbing their nose at congress and the people. They know more than nothing, you can bank on it.
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Old 06-04-2021, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Wrong, the US technology has almost all been dependent on foreign nationals and acquiring foreign tech to get our aerospace tech up to par. The Russians had us beat in the 50s and we had to go and use NAZI scientists.

Our space program was spearheaded by the leader of the NAZI science division.

The last few decades we've gotten tech from Israelis, Swedes, French, and hardly any American minds. The head of our atomic division got the atomic idea from Indian historical docs and Italian and Jewish scientists.

So many Americans like you think America is the greatest, this is simply American egos and not the truth.
We still have think tanks and research facilities like this one in Laurel, MD: https://www.nrl.navy.mil/.

My thinking is that some of what we identify as UFOs is a diversion. Diversions are great military tools. Whether they are holographic projections or robotics or new technology we are not aware of; they represent a significant asset during any conflict. We love the opposition to waste munitions and expose their positions so we can target their forces.

Of course, we have given the Chinese the upper hand. They have the resources and no restrictions from watchdog groups. It is hard to say how this will all play out in the years to come, but it doesn't look good. I just wished that we be more self-sufficient.

One other factor is this new hacking wave happening now. It can become considerably worse according to the 'experts'. It is hard to say if we can get a handle on these groups without sacrificing freedom.
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Old 06-04-2021, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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The claim that these things are hypersonic drones from Russia or China, or rotor-driven non-hypersonic drones doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Hypersonic drones don't hover, and they don't make right turns or stop on a dime. Non-hypersonic drones can hover and make right turns, but they can't travel at hypersonic speeds. Neither hypersonic drones nor non-hypersonic drones can operate in both air and water, or take off like a bat out of hell. And neither of them can explain all of the behaviors that have been observed.

Regarding holographic projections -- the image has to projected against something or is constrained to the space above a special table or other surface, and it's not going to appear visually as well as on radar and thermal imaging. Those who claim these things are holograms don't understand the state of the art in holographic projections and the physics behind it. If it's holographic technology (Jacques Vallee has suggested this may be part of it), it's advanced beyond anything we know today -- so you're faced with the same problem of explaining where the science came from.

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/the-physics-of-drones/
https://www.clean-rooms.org/what-can...in-the-future/

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Old 06-04-2021, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill, FL
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It IS true that German scientists were inserted into positions within the US industrial complex just after the war. so there is no doubt about that. Von Braun was a top Nazi scientist who developed rockets for them during the war and for the NASA Moon shots afterwards.

Morally, this might be dodgy doing this, and I am sure some of the scientists were used by MKULTRA-type projects for experiments about splitting personalities for US military use. Those were war criminals who were not prosecuted for killing many people.

Anyway, they are all dead now after 75 years. Society advancement is built on top of those who came before.
Wasn't it called Operation Paperclip? 1600 Former Nazi scientists were brought to the US between 1945 and 1959.
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Old 06-04-2021, 01:30 PM
 
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I keep hearing this possibility on CNN, Foxnews, etc. That these flying UAPs are secret programs from China or Russia. This has got to be the biggest joke or from the more ignorant people who have no clue of the capabilities of these two countries.

Let's say they do have the technology. Why couldn't they use it right away instead of just flying around just to show off the tech.

Why don't they use it to fly to the moon already.

All the nonsense these commenters say they are from other countries.

These UAPs have capabilities that have not been publicly used or demonstrated by any country and any technology.

If they are developed by earthlings, why are we wasting billions on SpaceX and taking so long to develop any commercial jet propulsion advances.
It is us- US!!!
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Old 06-04-2021, 02:18 PM
 
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The claim that these things are hypersonic drones from Russia or China, or rotor-driven non-hypersonic drones doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Hypersonic drones don't hover, and they don't make right turns or stop on a dime. Non-hypersonic drones can hover and make right turns, but they can't travel at hypersonic speeds. Neither hypersonic drones nor non-hypersonic drones can operate in both air and water, or take off like a bat out of hell. And neither of them can explain all of the behaviors that have been observed.

Regarding holographic projections -- the image has to projected against something or is constrained to the space above a special table or other surface, and it's not going to appear visually as well as on radar and thermal imaging. Those who claim these things are holograms don't understand the state of the art in holographic projections and the physics behind it. If it's holographic technology (Jacques Vallee has suggested this may be part of it), it's advanced beyond anything we know today -- so you're faced with the same problem of explaining where the science came from.

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/the-physics-of-drones/
https://www.clean-rooms.org/what-can...in-the-future/
Your information is outdated. There are already hypersonic drones that have the ability to hover. Drones can fold or retract to improve their aerodynamic characteristics. Drones are now available to anyone who can buy the off-the-shelf parts.
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