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because there is no longer an England
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Originally Posted by in_newengland
OMG. There will ALWAYS be an England.
England has left the European Union, maybe that's what you meant.
The OP's confusion was about England, not the UK leaving.
But I was always led to believe that about Yorkshire. (i.e., England is just a part of Yorkshire, lol.)
Just some myth passed down in the family though. Probably. I think so. Safer to say that.
I have heard that England was incorrect as it was the past and only Britain was the proper term and that England (the name) should be scrapped. I don't really know or care at the end of the day since I don't live over there. If people were calling Murica something I thought was incorrect they wouldn't hear the end of it from me, so what do I know.
Also I don't understand this Yorkshire thing. Are the terriers rising up to take over?
I have heard that England was incorrect as it was the past and only Britain was the proper term and that England (the name) should be scrapped. I don't really know or care at the end of the day since I don't live over there. If people were calling Murica something I thought was incorrect they wouldn't hear the end of it from me, so what do I know.
Also I don't understand this Yorkshire thing. Are the terriers rising up to take over?
It is a bit of a dumb thread, Scottish names are British, as are English names. The OP presumably means names from England in origin or Scotland.
Well if you fully read my OP then you'd know what I mean, instead you commented randomly after only reading the title and the first sentence.
But apparently I have a clan, that's pretty cool! English--you guys see what I did there, I didn't use British I used English--people don't have clans.
If I'm not mistaken, British can mean citizenship originating from England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Crown Dependencies or Overseas Territories. Technically, according to the diagram, Ireland itself a 'British Isle,' but I don't think it would please them to call them 'British.' Lest you want a fourpenny one (or "knuckle sandwich" in US Slang).
Having mentioned that, some people may see themselves as 'English/Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish, etc.', first and 'British' second; others 'British' first and 'English/Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish, etc.', second; others equally the same. The Northern Irish may also consider themselves 'British/Northern Irish/Irish', depending on preference.
I imagine the term 'British' appears more commonly used than 'English', because one specifies nationality, when the other is also the native language. (More than one country speaks English after all.) Whereas Scotland, Wales, and other parts of the UK had their own languages originally, hence no confusion.
Scotland is geographically part of Great Britain, or the British Isles, so it is British in that sense, but it's a separate entity to all Scots, and to the majority of the English too.
There still is an England, and it's part of the United Kingdom, as well as being part of Great Britain.
It may be more correct to say that the U.K. which includes Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland, has left the E.U., not just England on its own has left.
Très drôle, that's like saying that the U.S.A. is part of Rhode Island, not a bad place, but wholly insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
What do you mean 'in that sense'? Scotland is simply part of Great Britain, the same as England, if you are English you are British, if you are Scottish you are equally as British. You are not 'more' British by being English or Welsh, Britain came about when James VI of Scotland became James I of Britain, in other words despite what everybody seems to think it was a Scottish King that was the first king of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
I don't understand the 'Yorkshire thing' either, and have asked this question on another thread, but no-one has answered:
It's a long running thing, where some, certainly not all, inhabitants of that county allege that being from Yorkshire makes them superior to everyone, particularly someone from elsewhere in the U.K.
It's a total crock, a canard if you will, they are no more superior, nor is their county any better than say Shropshire, Kent, or Devon.
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Originally Posted by easthome
What do you mean 'in that sense'? Scotland is simply part of Great Britain, the same as England, if you are English you are British, if you are Scottish you are equally as British. You are not 'more' British by being English or Welsh, Britain came about when James VI of Scotland became James I of Britain, in other words despite what everybody seems to think it was a Scottish King that was the first king of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
I think that you know what I meant, I was attempting to convey that Scotland IS part of Great Britain, but its inhabitants are rightly proud of their "Scottishness", and are always ready to stress that Scotland was, and may eventually be again, a separate nation, even if, until then, Scotland remains part of Great Britain.
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There will ALWAYS be an England.
