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Hatton wants back because the Labour Party has slumped back to the old crummy Socialism of the past - especially when he and his mob were active. Labour has lost the proverbial plot and led by Marxist and neo-Marxist idiocy. Why hasn't that party not acknowledged hard facts such as more people working than for decades, over the last eight odd years the starting point for tax has went up, minimum wage up and so on (been going up £500 a year). Even a very sizeable chunk of folk who work in flexy hours WANT to. Interestingly enough for me living north of the border the Labour Party here in Scotland is not as bad as that crazy mode down south. These financial benefits I have mentioned are a boost for ordinary people down the scale. Labour is getting too USSR like down south and why has Labour never increased pensions, tax starting and s on and just ignored such?
A modern Labour government would be a disaster for Gt Britain and every time they leave office they also leave debts increased. Oh and the stuff about them hammering the better off they also ignore that the top richer people of what is itasomething around 23% of the tax is paid by them!
As for the current Labour party, they have as much chance of winning an election, as Michael Foot's Labour party did. Sure, they have a lot of support from a section of the young, which looks good on the television at conference. In the real world, of the voting booth, their far left wing mentality, will not get them enough votes to win outright.
For all the Tory noise from within their ranks about the EU, even Tory turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
Jeez, I hope to Christ that you’re right about Labour having no chance of winning
a GE, the thought of that shower getting in frightens the life out of me.
I’ve been working class blue collar all my life, and where I live,
we have to vote Lib-Dem, it’s the only way to keep Labour out.
I wouldn’t even want to see Corbyn get elected as dog catcher.
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Corbyn is the only man for the job, the rest of them should quit.
I don’t want to hear such cobblers, (Brit slang), from someone
from Manchester, NW England, let alone from Manchester, NH.
It does not matter that Corbyn is the Leader of the labour Soviets and should not be take on. Labour used to be (even allowing for some costly stuff) be a more wider party than it is now. Every labour government has left office with more unemployment, more increased debt for the country and little actual damn progress. Corbyn's control freaks would just go back to not just that Labour regular failing but make the country worse. His plans include part nationalisation of companies with over 250 staff wider State control and his Shadow Chancellor is a freak of a Marxist.
Working numbers are now the highest for decades, minimum wages going up less tax paid by lower incomes. Can I remind that ip to the dumping of the Labour government in 2010 the revised tax situation has went up every year. used to be that you started paying tax around £6,500 the Conservative-Liberal democrat government then brought in a better system so that each year people got an increased tax allowance of £500 and is now in the 6-fugure level and due to go up to what is it £12,000 or £12,500 tax free. Corbyn has body-swerved the better tax, more jobs, increased minimum wage, etc. That party is so leftist they must be missing the USSR and full of extremists. Even one of their own MP's needed police protection attending the Labour party conference and the nasty way another of their Red fanatics treated Jacob Rees-Mogg's children in front of everyone was disgusting. The only kind of passing consolation for me as a Scot is that the Labour Party is NOT like that here in Scotland but even they lost councillors, MP's, MEP's and the Scottish Conservative & Unionists replaced labour as the opposition in the Scottish Parliament!
I'd just like to say 'hi' to all the Daily Mail readers on this thread.
Not a word of optimism in sight. I trust you are all wholly satisfied with the way the Tories are running our country and will vote for them again however desperate life gets for the majority of our citizens.
For starters, Thatcher's misguided decisions (and those who followed) to deregulate borrowing and sell council houses has 'wrecked' (as in - it can't be repaired) the housing market, and led consumers into unparalleled levels of personal debt. I don't believe it is widely appreciated just how profound that catastrophe is. Corbyn could quite definitely do no worse. At the same time they hypocritically preach 'that we must live within our means.' (That means us, not them.)
Frankly I am sick to my stomach of listening to ordinary people singing from the Tory hymn sheet. People who have had the good fortune to benefit from unfairly and unjustifiably soaring house prices who now see themselves as some sort of middle class as they relax in trendy coffee shops with the Mail spread across the table. Sound familiar?
It has to be remembered here that in spite of their veneer of superiority, the Tories actually **** up everything they touch - like for example their last election!
Their problems are always the same - they just don't get what's going on at street level and their worship of money is boundless.
They will continue to cut and hit people as they have done throughout their history, and demonise Labour via our Tory monopolised media. The very party that opposed the NHS and the Minimum Wage, they now oppose the Labour plans to increase Corporation Tax - a sensible thing to do considering we have the lowest in Europe. They say we'll lose investment otherwise. Other European countries seem to manage low Corporation Tax but the Tories believe that if they look after business, the benefits will trickle (operative word) down to the masses. Wrong again.
For heavens sake cut Labour a bit of slack, and let's not forget that it's a Tory Brexit we're going to get. Can you imagine what Trump will want from us in the event of a UK/US Trade Deal?
You can look forward to your chlorinated chicken and a privatised NHS for starters.
Still, anything's better than Corbyn !!! We can stick to that mantra whatever befalls us.
Finally, does anyone seriously think that Corbyn could have made a WORSE job of negotiating with the EU???????
So Geoff, we have an election, and Corbyn wins a majority. He and his Marxist Chancellor run the country into the ground. Maybe they have another note to leave in the Treasury like last time. You know, the one that said, 'THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT.' Just what the country needs huh?
With respect Dave these speculations are of little substance. There is a convention that outgoing Chancellors leave a note for their successor, like the one left by Tory Reginald Maudling to his Labour successor James Callaghan in 1964: "Good luck, old **** ... Sorry to leave it in such a mess." I don't remember labour making a meal of that.
Again it's speculation that Labour would run the country into the ground. We don't know that. We're told that by this failing incompetent government. A government that has fallen short in just about every department.
Labour have a realistic plan for change and at least address seriously the obstacles our country faces.
We shouldn't just buy into the 'anything's better than Corbyn' mindset. It's claptrap.
I don't say they're perfect, none of them are but I do know one thing for certain:-
The Right Wing is the Wrong Way!
Oh dear desperation and accusing people who do not agree as automatically Daily Mail readers! Mind you I would intimate that paper has a big readership (!). Anyway must say very directly a degree of pasing guff in what you said. May I remind that when Labour was last in power they raised pensions by a few pence and neatly avoiuded. In addition when did a Labour lot make the changes that the Conservatives did for "ordinary people."@ We used to start paying tax roughly half way through your first roughly six and a half thousand income. The Conservatives raied that to what was it - £8,000 and then by £500 each years since so folk are into a five figure income before tax and the thing is that the annual £500 increase is still going on. Large numbers are paying no tax something the left never did. In addition the minimum wage up and the highest number of people working for decades. Not a left wing government but a moderate right one! Oh and State pension increases.
Every time a Labour government is in power we end up with more unemployment less investment in companies plus a big debt left and all that you just dashed ignore? Has Labour ever agreed with the increase I have mentioned to ordinary people -nope. I would not put Soviet styled Corbyn and pals in charge of a toilet never mind a government. Instead of groaningly admitting those improvements I have emphasised they would not have been done by that lot. Every Labour departure has been a financial nightmare for Britain. Decent Labour members have to be careful what they say or they get hell. May I remind of the MP who had to get police protection going to that Labour USSR style conference and another has admitted on the media that any non far left person is in a difficult position in a so-called democratic party. Corbyn and his openly Marxist Shadow Chancellor are nightmares so do try and look beyond the Guardian or Morning Star and exercise the grey cells!
With respect Dave these speculations are of little substance. There is a convention that outgoing Chancellors leave a note for their successor, like the one left by Tory Reginald Maudling to his Labour successor James Callaghan in 1964: "Good luck, old **** ... Sorry to leave it in such a mess." I don't remember labour making a meal of that.
Again it's speculation that Labour would run the country into the ground. We don't know that. We're told that by this failing incompetent government. A government that has fallen short in just about every department.
Labour have a realistic plan for change and at least address seriously the obstacles our country faces.
We shouldn't just buy into the 'anything's better than Corbyn' mindset. It's claptrap.
I don't say they're perfect, none of them are but I do know one thing for certain:-
The Right Wing is the Wrong Way!
What's not speculation is that technology has advanced to the point that corporate HQ's can be transferred at low/no cost to preferential countries. I've said this before I'm actually surprised that many companies don't rehome to Dubai, it's not as if a company HQ needs to do anything other than provide an address. If that is done then UK Corp taxes can only be levied against UK profits, not corporate profits.
The other not speculation on corporate taxes is that they're always passed on to the consumer. It's like fuel excise or taxes, you add a couple of percent to fuel taxes and everything increases in price. Sure corporations pay the tax, but, they get the tax from consumers, so consumers have two options, pay higher prices which reduces their disposable income, or not which reduces corporate profits and therefore tax revenues.
So no we don't know the labor strategies would run the country into the ground, but we do know that moving HQ isn't hard, and we do know corporate taxes are passed to consumers.
That all adds up to a less energetic economy and a lower prosperity for people in general. That's not looking good economically, and further what makes people think they have a right to other people's property? 10% of companies are owned by people, taking that to distribute to others is theft, like someone taking 10% of your bank account, you don't think 'well its only 10% could be worse'. Where does a government get the idea it can do something that would be illegal if a voter or collective of voters did? The point of things like Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights was to make government subject to the same laws as everyone else. That's long gone apparently.
Don't know why, but as I read through the thread the Daily Mail sprang to mind.
We can get into a ‘one on one’ about what the Conservatives did and what Labour did but as we know that argument has no end.
However, I don't think we need to go too far down the road of:-
“how ordinary people have benefitted under the Conservatives.”
Step into the street and ask a few people. Schools, prisons, Police, NHS, (the other major introduction by Labour - opposed by the Conservatives), are in crisis.
The minimum wage you refer to was also introduced by Labour and opposed by the Conservatives. John Major (you know, that grey insignificant ex banker) declared with that air of Tory arrogance that it would cost jobs. Without Labour the increased living/minimum wage wouldn't have existed in the first place, so to recognise the Conservatives for increasing it is a bit rich.
Regarding employment, well the Conservatives love to spin figures. They ignore the fact that many jobs currently are of a low skill, low wage, and nil security/prospect nature. They cling to this ridiculous notion that people find part time zero hours contracts flexible and convenient, when in reality people want full time properly paid work. That has always been the case and still is. The simple reason these contracts exist is because they are allowed. If they could get away with paying workers £1 an hour they would, and that’s why these grossly unfair contracts should be banned. But never mind, the figures look good.
It's worth noting here that in 2017 for the first time in 30 years the ONS announced that household spending had exceeded household income. If that's not a warning sign I don't know what is.
Rest assured, there is an enormous financial crash down the road. The wrecking of the housing market together with the resulting sky high mortgages and the eventual need to increase interest rates has yet to come home to roost.
In the meantime this government supports ever more consumer driven 'growth' via a 'light touch' regulated business community.
BTW there are far worse papers one can read than The Guardian.
BTW there are far worse papers one can read than The Guardian.
I've yet to find one.
Not only is The Guardian badly written and poorly subbed the sanctimonious holier-than-thou attitude seeps off it like steam from a heap of manure.
It lectures the government on tax avoiders and does exactly the same itself via its foreign-based parent company.
Columnists such as Polly Toynbee lecture about the rich fat cats owning second homes,writing her column from either her multi-million euro Provence villa or her multi-million pound Islington home.
It castigates the government's economic policies yet regular loses tens of millions of pounds every year.
The teacher/social worker house bible is without doubt the worst newspaper on sale in Britain today and I include the Daily Express in that.
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