City Life vs. Suburban Life: Which is more sustainable? (largest, megacities, subdivision)
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Percentage of workers working in this county: 63.4%
Number of people working at home: 10,225 (3.7% of all workers)
Travel time to work
Less than 5 minutes: 5353
5 to 9 minutes: 22238
10 to 14 minutes: 38511
15 to 19 minutes: 47286
20 to 24 minutes: 46631
25 to 29 minutes: 18215
30 to 34 minutes: 44301
35 to 39 minutes: 6175
40 to 44 minutes: 8579
45 to 59 minutes: 16355
60 to 89 minutes: 10202
90 or more minutes: 4644
Here's how you put words in my mouth (in addtition to this)
which I did no say.
Point taken. You did say not most people live within 5 miles of their work.
All the other bolded parts, I still stand behind because those are my thoughts. If you would like to add your thoughts to the discussion you are more than welcome to. It's only when my questions are purposefully not answered that I tend to move ahead in the discussion.
Percentage of workers working in this county: 63.4%
Number of people working at home: 10,225 (3.7% of all workers)
Travel time to work
Less than 5 minutes: 5353
5 to 9 minutes: 22238
10 to 14 minutes: 38511
15 to 19 minutes: 47286
20 to 24 minutes: 46631
25 to 29 minutes: 18215
30 to 34 minutes: 44301
35 to 39 minutes: 6175
40 to 44 minutes: 8579
45 to 59 minutes: 16355
60 to 89 minutes: 10202
90 or more minutes: 4644
39% drive 25 min. or more both ways; fewer work in the same county as do Louisvillians.
I would venture to guess that driving from a point in the city to a point in the city is going to take longer than driving from a point outside the city into the city, right? Traffic lights, pedestrain crossings, etc. are going to slow down an in city commute.
Think of it this way:
It may take a suburban commuter 30 minutes to go the 30 miles into their work.
It may take an urban commuter 30 minutes to go 5 miles in the city.
But only one of is using less fuel in the same amount of time.
I would venture to guess that driving from a point in the city to a point in the city is going to take longer than driving from a point outside the city into the city, right? Traffic lights, pedestrain crossings, etc. are going to slow down an in city commute.
Think of it this way:
It may take a suburban commuter 30 minutes to go the 30 miles into their work.
It may take an urban commuter 30 minutes to go 5 miles in the city.
But only one of is using less fuel in the same amount of time.
Whats more sustainable?:
60 miles round trip at 60 minutes
OR
10 miles round trip at 60 minutes?
Neither. Both are putting a lot of crap in the air, and you are using fuel while your car is idling at the red light at every block, and while you're driving along at 10 mph through downtown. I am really amazed that anyone would defend that!
If you look at the stats from one suburb, less than 30% are driving more than 30 minutes one way (60 min RT).
1. You mean like private AND public transportation?
2. So you don't need to live close to a food supply? Technology has given us the ability to live farther away from our food supply, but to say that not living near a food source is not necessary is rather , to emote the least.
But at this current point in time, it is unrealistic for everyone, no matter where they live, to have EVERYTHING they need to live their lives within 5 miles of their residence.
It COULD be done, but it is not yet a possibility for a majority of people.
And for further reference and use, I think you should take care in using the words "need" and "want". They are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things, and should be treated as such.
I need water, air, food, shelter, and clothing to live.
I want a TV, I don't need it.
I need internet for work.
Completely different concepts.
3. You may not feel sorry for them, but don't worry, the government will cut them another financial break so they don't have to change a single thing about their lifestyle .
1. I was under the impression there is private and public transportation.
2. What I'm saying its to simplistic to say everybody can live 5 minutes from everything. I'm just giving different examples. I'm not a fan of absolutes, but it will never happen where everybody could live within 5 minutes of everything you need. That my friend is a pipe dream.
3. As far as government giving a financial break, i agree with you on that part.
Percentage of workers working in this county: 63.4%
Number of people working at home: 10,225 (3.7% of all workers)
Travel time to work
Less than 5 minutes: 5353
5 to 9 minutes: 22238
10 to 14 minutes: 38511
15 to 19 minutes: 47286
20 to 24 minutes: 46631
25 to 29 minutes: 18215
30 to 34 minutes: 44301
35 to 39 minutes: 6175
40 to 44 minutes: 8579
45 to 59 minutes: 16355
60 to 89 minutes: 10202
90 or more minutes: 4644
But only one of is using less fuel in the same amount of time.
Whats more sustainable?:
60 miles round trip at 60 minutes
OR
10 miles round trip at 60 minutes?
Obviously your fuel efficiency is much reduced in the 2nd example, but unless the fuel efficiency was 1/6 or less in the 2nd example compared to the 1st example, the 2nd one would use less fuel. This sounds unlikely, but one big traffic jam might be create that scenario with a lot of stop and sudden acceleration (idling is by definition 0 mpg).
(1)Obviously your fuel efficiency is much reduced in the 2nd example, but unless the fuel efficiency was 1/6 or less in the 2nd example compared to the 1st example, the 2nd one would use less fuel. (2)This sounds unlikely, but one big traffic jam might be create that scenario with a lot of stop and sudden acceleration (idling is by definition 0 mpg).
1. It certainly isn't the most cost effective thing in the world... sitting in traffic. But on the whole, a 30 minute commute through heavy, stop and go traffic uses less gasoline than a 30 minute commute on open road/highway.
2. Idling will get you 0 MPG, true. But any vehicle can idle longer than it can stay in motion. That is, a car could idle for 12 hours, while I have serious doubts a majority, or even a significant minority, or vehicles can drive for 12 hours straight.
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