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Old 06-21-2019, 07:09 PM
 
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A new book out by Alexander Garvin out: Downtown revitalization- 3 categories
1. downtown that have always thrived and never been decline: Buckhead Atlanta, San Jose, Indianapolis and Portland
2. downtowns that have been in decline but now surging: Lower Manhattan, Seattle, L.A., Denver, Chicago and Cincinnati 3. downtowns remain in decline: Detroit, Cleveland, Bridgeport and St. Louis
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Old 06-21-2019, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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Can't speak for Bridgeport, but I know for a fact that Detroit, Cleveland, and St. Louis have had billions of dollars of investment in the past decade. I don't know why they would be considered declining still. Maybe not as healthy as they should be, but all of those places seem to be on the right trajectory. It's just hard for slow growth or declining regions to flip their neighborhoods fast without the large influx of population in the region.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Fountain Square, Indianapolis
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Indianapolis' downtown was a no man's land back in the 70's and early 80's from what I've read. I guess it was never really was that poppin until the 90's, but I know it stagnated for awhile.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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A new book out by Alexander Garvin out: Downtown revitalization- 3 categories
1. downtown that have always thrived and never been decline: Buckhead Atlanta, San Jose, Indianapolis and Portland
2. downtowns that have been in decline but now surging: Lower Manhattan, Seattle, L.A., Denver, Chicago and Cincinnati 3. downtowns remain in decline: Detroit, Cleveland, Bridgeport and St. Louis
your #3 is extremely uninformed. Cleveland's downtown currently has its highest population ever. Detroit's downtown is looking good.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:18 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Pittsburgh's downtown is a pretty good argument. It never went through massive demolition period and its employment numbers are about the same as they have been during the city's population peak despite the neighborhoods near it having some pretty massive urban renewal enacted upon it and the population of the city plummeting.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:35 PM
 
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A new book out by Alexander Garvin out: Downtown revitalization- 3 categories
1. downtown that have always thrived and never been decline: Buckhead Atlanta, San Jose, Indianapolis and Portland
2. downtowns that have been in decline but now surging: Lower Manhattan, Seattle, L.A., Denver, Chicago and Cincinnati 3. downtowns remain in decline: Detroit, Cleveland, Bridgeport and St. Louis
Bridgeport is like a small town compared to the others. Hartford would be a better example. It's Connecticut's only true "big city" and it's gone through decades of stagnation/slow growth.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:48 PM
 
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your #3 is extremely uninformed. Cleveland's downtown currently has its highest population ever. Detroit's downtown is looking good.
It's from the author: Alexander Garvin; may look good but mostly one person of Quickens artificially inflating downtown and its market place. Cleveland has some growth but not enough to offset a decline overall. It may reach resurgence stage. However, I personally don't know. I didn't come up with this list. The urban expert and planner did-Alexander. Check his book out for more info.
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Old 06-21-2019, 08:50 PM
 
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Can't speak for Bridgeport, but I know for a fact that Detroit, Cleveland, and St. Louis have had billions of dollars of investment in the past decade. I don't know why they would be considered declining still. Maybe not as healthy as they should be, but all of those places seem to be on the right trajectory. It's just hard for slow growth or declining regions to flip their neighborhoods fast without the large influx of population in the region.
Recommend reading the book: Heart of the city-revitalizations of downtowns by Alexander Garvin for more specific info as to why these downtowns are considered decline
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Buckhead Atlanta is not a downtown.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:37 PM
 
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Buckhead Atlanta is not a downtown.
In Atlanta and Houston case: they both have 3 downtowns. When he said Downtown Houston never was in decline, he most likely meant Galleria and or Medical Center. In Atlanta, Buckhead was not in decline.
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