[Cambium]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

Who are these 12%? Chances are they aren't wealthy and can't afford to replace their wood stove or convert to an alternative system (and pay for that mode of heat.) The cheapest, EPA approved wood stove I could find online was $529 before tax and shipping. What happens to those who can not afford it?

This year my oil bill on LI was insane. I used my old Vermont Castings Resolut (78 or 79 manufacture) and burned seasoned oak to help conserve oil. I honestly can't imagine what a poor person who relies on their no longer EPA compliant wood stove is going to do.

I thought that number was pretty interesting they used. 12%? Thought it would be less actually. Nice to see. I bet you 2013 & today will show more people using it..

Folks can sell the old stove for scrap and get a few bucks from that at least. The good thing is that the flue is already there so it's just a matter of a new stove. Another idea is to get a couple of trees dropped off, split yourself, and sell 2 cords. There's another $300-400 dollars in your pocket for the new stove.

You just reminded me.. I bought a stove on craigslist for $350 few years ago. I then upgraded to a bigger one so I have to sell that other one now. Probably ask $300 since it was barely used in our warm 2011-12 winter.

I haven't gotten an oil delivery since March 2013. Just under 1/4 tank now. The amount I save from paying for oil I can buy 2 good stoves per year. :-)

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by Cambium

I thought that number was pretty interesting they used. 12%? Thought it would be less actually. Nice to see. I bet you 2013 & today will show more people using it..

Folks can sell the old stove for scrap and get a few bucks from that at least. The good thing is that the flue is already there so it's just a matter of a new stove. Another idea is to get a couple of trees dropped off, split yourself, and sell 2 cords. There's another $300-400 dollars in your pocket for the new stove.

You just reminded me.. I bought a stove on craigslist for $350 few years ago. I then upgraded to a bigger one so I have to sell that other one now. Probably ask $300 since it was barely used in our warm 2011-12 winter.

I haven't gotten an oil delivery since March 2013. Just under 1/4 tank now. The amount I save from paying for oil I can buy 2 good stoves per year. :-)

The bold area isn't a bad idea. I was thinking like a wimpy LIer...you were thinking like a thrifty New Englander!

[arctichomesteader]

The EPA can have my woodstove when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

What I read on WCAX about Hearthstone was only a few of the stoves they currently make (all EPA approved) will meet the new standards. So I imagine the prices will shoot up.

I think the majority of issues people have with wood smoke are coming from outdoor boilers really, not the stoves and fireplaces.

[FrugalYankee]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

Who are these 12%? Chances are they aren't wealthy and can't afford to replace their wood stove or convert to an alternative system (and pay for that mode of heat.) The cheapest, EPA approved wood stove I could find online was $529 before tax and shipping. What happens to those who can not afford it?

This year my oil bill on LI was insane. I used my old Vermont Castings Resolut (78 or 79 manufacture) and burned seasoned oak to help conserve oil. I honestly can't imagine what a poor person who relies on their no longer EPA compliant wood stove is going to do.

I can tell you what they'll do. They'll be waiting with their shotguns at the end of the dirt roads where they live for any of these nicely dressed EPA dipwads who dare try to view the woodstoves in question. Actually there is no danger of that. I don't think a Prius could even make it up the roads some of these people live on.

[jackmccullough]

The Forbes editorial--it's not an article--appears to be misleading. It implies that the new rule will require people to remove wood stoves they already have in their homes, but according to the first couple of paragraphs the new rule pertains only to the production and sale of new stoves.

[GregW]

Given Hearthstone's expertise in small heater wood combustion and stove construction I do not see why they cannot meet the new particulate emissions. It just takes a longer, hotter combustion time as well as some excess air. The latter may require an electric forced draft fan but that is common in wood stoves already. Hearthstone already knows the value of soapstone as a stove material. It may just be time to reinvest some of the profits in research instead of complaining.

OH - Slow combustion starved air water heaters are an environmental disaster. They not only emit a huge amount of particulate they also emit a vast variety of harmful wood distillates. Unless the thing has after fire air injection to burn off all these pollutants the stove is not only an gross polluter it is woefully inefficient.

With proper design a wood fired stove is a very economical and efficient heater.

OP - Vermont is , indeed, a fine place to live. So is New Hampshire just across the Connecticut River.

[plausible]

back to the original poster.....this thread is a joke...vt is the best state? for what? crappy weather? high taxes? no jobs? then YES its the best!