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The irony in this statement is so profound especially considering that we're talking about MD.
MD wants all of the niceties of VA but insists on being a nanny state which cuts off it's nose to spite it's face. And people wonder why the state is in stasis.
I thought the NIMBYS in University Park were bad, but this takes the cake.
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“There was nothing on the state highway website that there was going to be a change in the roads,” said Sarah Cavitt of Fort Washington, who along with her husband, William, requested the May 29 meeting with developers and Prince George’s County officials to clear up confusion over road signs announcing the traffic changes. “That is a major change for people between here and Charles County.”
Did these people assume that the construction equipment and crews would be airlifted to the site? How else would you construct a 2 million sqft property without traffic pattern changes? Every construction site disrupts traffic patterns at some point. Usually you lose a lane to allow construction vehicles to haul off and deliver their payloads. The same thing is happening at the new Riverdale Park construction site. 2 years people. That's all. Be glad you're not in Springfield next to I-95 dealing with changes in traffic patterns for the last 25 years.
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Accokeek resident Dennis Tozser, a board member of the Greater Accokeek Civic Association, said he was surprised officials did not have an answer to his question about how many trucks would be hauling dirt away from the construction site on a daily basis, and what impact this will have on traffic on nearby roads.
“I just find it hard to believe that they don’t have close to a number,” Tozser said. “They should have a roundabout estimate.”
I find it hard to understand how the number of trucks makes any difference. Would 60 trucks sound better than 75? The trucks still need access to and from the site.
I understand how the people feel inconvenienced. But I think they are a bit shortsighted. Yes, there's a little pain involved. And I will have to go through it when they start building the Purple Line in my neighborhood. But I understand that after it is finished, the benefits outweigh the inconvenience by a long shot.
I'm not so sure these people can ever be satisfied. I mean even to get transit in the area, construction of that transit would disrupt traffic. To get anything built there will be disruption. Look at H. St and the streetcar. U street with the Greenline. Or the many projects in downtown DC.
I thought the NIMBYS in University Park were bad, but this takes the cake.
Did these people assume that the construction equipment and crews would be airlifted to the site? How else would you construct a 2 million sqft property without traffic pattern changes? Every construction site disrupts traffic patterns at some point. Usually you lose a lane to allow construction vehicles to haul off and deliver their payloads. The same thing is happening at the new Riverdale Park construction site. 2 years people. That's all. Be glad you're not in Springfield next to I-95 dealing with changes in traffic patterns for the last 25 years.
I find it hard to understand how the number of trucks makes any difference. Would 60 trucks sound better than 75? The trucks still need access to and from the site.
I understand how the people feel inconvenienced. But I think they are a bit shortsighted. Yes, there's a little pain involved. And I will have to go through it when they start building the Purple Line in my neighborhood. But I understand that after it is finished, the benefits outweigh the inconvenience by a long shot.
I'm not so sure these people can ever be satisfied. I mean even to get transit in the area, construction of that transit would disrupt traffic. To get anything built there will be disruption. Look at H. St and the streetcar. U street with the Greenline. Or the many projects in downtown DC.
No you don't. You have a different view than they do. The difference is you support what is happening around you and most of these people do not support these projects. That is what's going to drive their criticism. Is it fair? Yes because perhaps these are the reasons why they didn't want it in the first place. One thing I can say, I think you are free to have your opinion and support these projects, but you can be so dismissive and condescending towards anyone that doesn't agree with you. It's okay for you to disagree, but you make it sound like anyone that doesn't see things your way is nuts.
I don't think it's unreasonable for these people to complain. I think you are being narrow minded about this. Imagine you come home and you see traffic patterns changing without a notice, why should you be okay with that? Regardless of if you support the project or not, it's an inconvenience. It can cause a delay in you getting home, the trucks can cause more dirt to be in your neighborhood or whatever other inconvenience that may happen. You don't have to accept every single aspect to these projects. It's okay to be critical within reason. I think you should take a step back and actually see what other people go through on a day-to-day basis before making assumptions that everyone has the same mentality of trying to stop development. You act as though anyone who complains is part of the dreaded nimbys. Maybe they just don't like getting home later. Is that unreasonable?
Again anti-PG County Commentating knowing that if this about Prince William County you will be agreeing that their complaints are petty and rediculas....
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Originally Posted by justtitans
No you don't. You have a different view than they do. The difference is you support what is happening around you and most of these people do not support these projects. That is what's going to drive their criticism. Is it fair? Yes because perhaps these are the reasons why they didn't want it in the first place. One thing I can say, I think you are free to have your opinion and support these projects, but you can be so dismissive and condescending towards anyone that doesn't agree with you. It's okay for you to disagree, but you make it sound like anyone that doesn't see things your way is nuts.
I don't think it's unreasonable for these people to complain. I think you are being narrow minded about this. Imagine you come home and you see traffic patterns changing without a notice, why should you be okay with that? Regardless of if you support the project or not, it's an inconvenience. It can cause a delay in you getting home, the trucks can cause more dirt to be in your neighborhood or whatever other inconvenience that may happen. You don't have to accept every single aspect to these projects. It's okay to be critical within reason. I think you should take a step back and actually see what other people go through on a day-to-day basis before making assumptions that everyone has the same mentality of trying to stop development. You act as though anyone who complains is part of the dreaded nimbys. Maybe they just don't like getting home later. Is that unreasonable?
Again anti-PG County Commentating knowing that if this about Prince William County you will be agreeing that their complaints are petty and rediculas....
Again a Virginian pretending to live in PG. At least I admit I live in VA. When are you going to come out with the truth? Who in their right mind would mention Virginia over 200 times in a section dedicated to Maryland, when you supposedly live in MD? Exactly...
again a virginian pretending to live in pg. At least i admit i live in va. When are you going to come out with the truth? Who in their right mind would mention virginia over 200 times in a section dedicated to maryland, when you supposedly live in md? Exactly...
No you don't. You have a different view than they do. The difference is you support what is happening around you and most of these people do not support these projects. That is what's going to drive their criticism. Is it fair? Yes because perhaps these are the reasons why they didn't want it in the first place. One thing I can say, I think you are free to have your opinion and support these projects, but you can be so dismissive and condescending towards anyone that doesn't agree with you. It's okay for you to disagree, but you make it sound like anyone that doesn't see things your way is nuts.
I don't think it's unreasonable for these people to complain. I think you are being narrow minded about this. Imagine you come home and you see traffic patterns changing without a notice, why should you be okay with that? Regardless of if you support the project or not, it's an inconvenience. It can cause a delay in you getting home, the trucks can cause more dirt to be in your neighborhood or whatever other inconvenience that may happen. You don't have to accept every single aspect to these projects. It's okay to be critical within reason. I think you should take a step back and actually see what other people go through on a day-to-day basis before making assumptions that everyone has the same mentality of trying to stop development. You act as though anyone who complains is part of the dreaded nimbys. Maybe they just don't like getting home later. Is that unreasonable?
I think that even if I didn't like a project, and it got approved, I should know that said project would cause disruptions due to construction. I question their decision to complain NOW about a trucks and lane closures when anyone who has lived in the DC area any length of time knows that's the norm around constructions sites. DC has been growing like crazy. We go through construction lane closures on the beltway, I-95, in neighborhoods, downtown, etc. Construction is a fact of life here.
The article made it seem like the residents were somehow hoodwinked about lane closures and construction equipment. If they had known ahead of time, then perhaps they would have made a stronger fight against the casino being built? These people were probably at every council and casino meeting. Now all of a sudden they are in the dark? What comes of complaining about construction now? Like I said, what does it matter if there are 50 trucks or 40 trucks? There will still be trucks. There will be dust, construction lights, etc. Nothing new to this area.
Like I said, I KNOW the Purple Line is coming. I KNOW there will be lane closures. Id doesn't matter if I support it or not. I'm prepared to be inconvenienced. My complaining about not completely understanding construction protocols won't make me any less inconvenienced. Two years. I have to live with the construction of the Purple Line for 5 years. They need to get over it.
I think that even if I didn't like a project, and it got approved, I should know that said project would cause disruptions due to construction. I question their decision to complain NOW about a trucks and lane closures when anyone who has lived in the DC area any length of time knows that's the norm around constructions sites. DC has been growing like crazy. We go through construction lane closures on the beltway, I-95, in neighborhoods, downtown, etc. Construction is a fact of life here.
So because they know it's coming, they don't have a right to be upset? Do you go to the dentist? Have you ever had a root canal or some other painful procedure? By your logic, no one should ever complain about the pain since they knew they had an appointment and they knew it may be painful. But does that make sense?
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Originally Posted by adelphi_sky
The article made it seem like the residents were somehow hoodwinked about lane closures and construction equipment. If they had known ahead of time, then perhaps they would have made a stronger fight against the casino being built? These people were probably at every council and casino meeting. Now all of a sudden they are in the dark? What comes of complaining about construction now? Like I said, what does it matter if there are 50 trucks or 40 trucks? There will still be trucks. There will be dust, construction lights, etc. Nothing new to this area.
The SHA has had a lot of staff movement and one of the project managers admitted to me a few months ago that they do not pass documentation over as well as they should when they transition. With that said, I have a different take on what they said. I didn't get any indication that they didn't have an expectation of some construction happening and lane closures, but I think it's the details that they were lacking and that's why they are upset. Someone can tell you, we're going to close lanes in a particular area, but if you don't know when or where, then how do you prepare for it?
Just to do something that the Gazette could have easily have done, I went to the SHA website to confirm that what the person is saying is true, and IT IS TRUE, there is nothing on the website about this project.
So how would residents know? How do you prepare? I don't see how it is unreasonable for them to have some literature online. Perhaps they couldn't meet for the Public Forums, but even as I look at the Kerby Hill Road project, the state is doing a horrible job keeping up with this website. That project page has missing information and some of the information isn't consistent.
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Originally Posted by adelphi_sky
Like I said, I KNOW the Purple Line is coming. I KNOW there will be lane closures. Id doesn't matter if I support it or not. I'm prepared to be inconvenienced. My complaining about not completely understanding construction protocols won't make me any less inconvenienced. Two years. I have to live with the construction of the Purple Line for 5 years. They need to get over it.
Do you know WHERE the lane closures will be? Do you know WHEN the lanes will be closed? And does this mean that you can't be upset for being home later everyday or whatever inconvenience you have since you know now?
Do you know WHERE the lane closures will be? Do you know WHEN the lanes will be closed? And does this mean that you can't be upset for being home later everyday or whatever inconvenience you have since you know now?
Does it matter? There will be lane closures. Period. SHA was resurfacing 193 at Beltway Plaza the last few weeks. I had no idea they were scheduled to do it. It was a surprise. I drive through that area every week. But I avoided the area during the construction because I have already replaced two windshields due to rock damage. Did I gather up the neighborhood and demand a meeting with SHA because I was unaware of the lane closures and construction? No. I accepted it because I knew the end result would be a smoother road. They're not resurfacing the road to make everyone's life miserable. I just took detours and now the road is finished. Great! It's better than it was before. This stuff happens on a regular basis in this area. Life moves on. People learn how to adapt.
We can't complain about there being nothing in the county, but when sacrifices have to be made to get those things, we complain again about it every step of the way. If we want to build up around the metro stations in the county, there will be disruptions. If we want more transit options like light rail, there will be disruptions. Should we complain or accept the inconvenience knowing that the benefits of the end result are what we wanted in the first place?
They are building student housing on Knox Road, my favorite route to College Park. I'm sure they will close off that street at some point. Will I be inconvenienced? Yes. Enough to demand a meeting with county officials? No. Construction is what it is. A major pain. But the end result is always better than before. Unless you're the Silver Spring Transit Center.
I get what you're saying. I'm just different. I see the bigger picture. If the construction crew needs to do A, B, C, then git 'er done. The sooner the better. I don't care how many trucks they need or how much concrete they require. I don't care if they close one lane to line up trucks to deliver or remove whatever. Git 'er done so we can move on and enjoy whatever the end result will be.
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MD wants all of the niceties of VA but insists on being a nanny state which cuts off it's nose to spite it's face. And people wonder why the state is in stasis. 
