Are health officals misleading the public? (Bellevue, Roy: wealthy, estimates, seller)

[Botev1912]

Originally Posted by Arcos

This is not 1918. We are far more advanced across the world and especially the US. Science itself has made exponential advances. Within years, the type of biotech advances against disease we will be making will shock and surprise ME, I am betting. Beyond comprehension.

Exactly we are not in 1918 (and the virus was far worse than covid) and yet the pandemic is "far from over" despite having much more advanced medicine now than 100 years ago. In reality, Covid is no longer an emergency for 99.9% of the people, but the governments (with very few exceptions in Europe) don't want to let it go.

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by Botev1912

Exactly we are not in 1918 (and the virus was far worse than covid) and yet the pandemic is "far from over" despite having much more advanced medicine now than 100 years ago. In reality, Covid is no longer an emergency for 99.9% of the people, but the governments (with very few exceptions in Europe) don't want to let it go.

The governments have relaxed almost all restrictions and are carefully tracking this elusive, dangerous, highly contagious, often fatal virus. They are doing what they are legally and constitutionally supposed to do. Places with more faith in their own countries are more supportive of these efforts. Places with less well informed people who are prone to misinformation and fear mongering are less accepting of these efforts.

Nevertheless, people are generally good and do their jobs.

[rodentraiser]

Originally Posted by Botev1912

The 1918 flu pandemic was over in 1920 without any vaccines. The Covid pandemic is apparently still in the 4th inning despite having vaccines, treatments and pills. How do you explain this? Because for the majority of people, that makes no sense and there is something else that is going on. More people are waking up and this BS will be over sooner or later.

https://fortune.com/2022/04/12/covid...mask-mandates/

My opinion on this, which is not popular and may not be right, is that we should have probably let covid just run its course at the beginning. The longer it hangs around, the more it can mutate.

Obviously we can wear masks and get vaccinations to protect ourselves, but it's been such a half-assed effort. If we were going to implement wearing masks, we should have made it a law across the country to wear masks and then have taken steps to confine people who didn't. If we were going to vaccinate, we should have made it mandatory so everyone gets vaccinated, religious and idiot beliefs be damned, and we should have quarantined anyone who wouldn't. That's how you end an outbreak.

With the way we're going now, I wouldn't be surprised to see covid hang around until 2030. But what's really worrisome is what happens if an especially lethal and highly communicable disease comes along. Half the country would be dead before people quit screwing around and take it seriously.

But then, maybe that's what needs to happen.

[flyingsaucermom]

Originally Posted by Arcos

The governments have relaxed almost all restrictions and are carefully tracking this elusive, dangerous, highly contagious, often fatal virus. They are doing what they are legally and constitutionally supposed to do. Places with more faith in their own countries are more supportive of these efforts. Places with less well informed people who are prone to misinformation and fear mongering are less accepting of these efforts.

Nevertheless, people are generally good and do their jobs.

Elusive. Dangerous. Often fatal.

People aren’t really feeling like it’s all that anymore.

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by flyingsaucermom

Elusive. Dangerous. Often fatal.

People aren’t really feeling like it’s all that anymore.

My comment and government policy both cover the entirety of the disease, what it was, and what it could be. People are free to feel as they like. Our government must act based on what is possible and what is likely, with a hedge on the side of caution.

[rantiquity]

Originally Posted by rodentraiser

My opinion on this, which is not popular and may not be right, is that we should have probably let covid just run its course at the beginning. The longer it hangs around, the more it can mutate.

Obviously we can wear masks and get vaccinations to protect ourselves, but it's been such a half-assed effort. If we were going to implement wearing masks, we should have made it a law across the country to wear masks and then have taken steps to confine people who didn't. If we were going to vaccinate, we should have made it mandatory so everyone gets vaccinated, religious and idiot beliefs be damned, and we should have quarantined anyone who wouldn't. That's how you end an outbreak.

With the way we're going now, I wouldn't be surprised to see covid hang around until 2030. But what's really worrisome is what happens if an especially lethal and highly communicable disease comes along. Half the country would be dead before people quit screwing around and take it seriously.

But then, maybe that's what needs to happen.

You mean like they are doing in Singapore? Locking up 25 million people in the homes and apartments with out food or medicine. Dragging off people out of their homes and locking them in jail when they complain.

[rodentraiser]

Originally Posted by rantiquity

You mean like they are doing in Singapore? Locking up 25 million people in the homes and apartments with out food or medicine. Dragging off people out of their homes and locking them in jail when they complain.

Do you want a pandemic or don't you?

I'm not the one who's going to make the decisions about locking people up. The public will decide that if a seriously bad virus (and covid isn't that bad, believe me) starts going through the population. They'll decide if they want to lock people up or be dead.

Look at what happened when people heard Ebola was in Texas. They lost their collective minds.

Suppose - just suppose - some terrorist decided to get hold of smallpox and let it loose? Covid has a death rate of about 3.4%. Smallpox has a death rate of 30%. When people start dying at that rate, what do you think will happen?

[Arcos]

Originally Posted by rantiquity

You mean like they are doing in Singapore? Locking up 25 million people in the homes and apartments with out food or medicine. Dragging off people out of their homes and locking them in jail when they complain.

I think you mean Shanghai? China has a rapidly failing Covid policy. Their vaccines are not as good, and their zero covid policy was potentially useful against the original form of Covid, but unable to deal with the highly contagious variants of today. Thankfully here in the US, we have the most cutting edge vaccines in the world that are way more effective, as well as democracy and only common sense restrictions that have been science driven and pretty well chosen. If we didn’t have such dysfunction in terms of politics, we would have a much more successful outcome, but at least a significant portion of the population has led the way in fighting Covid, blue to red, urban to rural, better outcomes to worse.

https://news.yahoo.com/sinovac-sinop...150929550.html

[Botev1912]

Originally Posted by rodentraiser

Do you want a pandemic or don't you?

I'm not the one who's going to make the decisions about locking people up. The public will decide that if a seriously bad virus (and covid isn't that bad, believe me) starts going through the population. They'll decide if they want to lock people up or be dead.

Look at what happened when people heard Ebola was in Texas. They lost their collective minds.

Suppose - just suppose - some terrorist decided to get hold of smallpox and let it loose? Covid has a death rate of about 3.4%. Smallpox has a death rate of 30%. When people start dying at that rate, what do you think will happen?

Covid used to have a death rate of 3%. Now it's around 0.1% (keep in mind no country has recorded all infections because of lack of testing, people don't even know they are sick or they are not sick enough and don't want to get tested) and this % is for all ages. The younger you are the much lower chance of dying from covid.

[Botev1912]

Does that mean the mandate ends today?

Florida judge voids US mask mandate for planes, other travel