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Old 01-15-2017, 06:40 AM
 
Location: near Turin (Italy)
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Meteorologists of my region claim that we have some of the longest-lasting nivometric series worldwide. And they have recorded a decrease of snow amounts in a lot of weather stations (in particular in places at low altitudes, such as Turin and other localities in the Po Valley)

Here there is Turin in the period 1787-88 / 2008-09 (I can't find a more updated version, anyway we still had a quite snowy winter in 2011-12). Altitude 250 m.


average over the whole period: 46.9 cm
average in the period 1961-2010: 24.4 cm

The decrease has been less evident in other localities, such as Cuneo, 550 m of altitude (a really snowy town, in comparison with the rest of the region and with other places at the same altitude)


Period considered: 1877-78 / 2011-12

average over the whole period: 121.5 cm
average 1961-2010: 115.2 cm
actually, in the time spawn 1961-90 it was a little more snowy than the average over the whole period: 123.2 cm. Also, the second most snowy winter ever was winter 2009-10, so I would not say that over there snow has diminished.

Source: Serie e medie nivometriche del nord-ovest - Dati Meteo Asti


Another parameter we take into consideration a lot is glacier extension. Because of several possible factors (changes into snow amounts accumulated during the winter, higher temperatures during the summer, pollution that covers the snow making it darker and that change the ratio between reflected and absorbed light....) their extension here on the Alps is visibly lower than one century ago, and this is widely seen as a worrisome phenomenon.

This is the glacier of the Rocciamelone for example (one of the closest one to my home)

First picture from 1894


Second picture 2012:

(source: Nimbus Web Glaciologia )
In the last half century a really large lake was forming from the melted ice, and the French authorities also had to operate a controlled removal of all that water for avoiding disasters in our neighbor valleys on the French side.



On the other hand, in this moment I would be curious to see some nivometric series from southern Italy. In the last few years I heard news about heavy snowfalls over there quite often (in the last few weeks in particular), and I know that the Apennines area in particular can be really snowy, but I would be interesting to see some number for seeing if there is some visible trend over over a period of some decades (at least).
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Old 01-15-2017, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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Not a myth here, a fact.

We've lost 16 inches in the past 60 years, and will almost certainly lose a lot more in the years to come as northern latitudes are warming the most rapidly.
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Old 01-15-2017, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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The amount of snowfall in the OKC area has been slowly increasing, while the amount of snowfall in the RDU area has been decreasing.
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Old 01-15-2017, 09:06 PM
 
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A myth! A FACT!!!

In Rotterdam in the 1981-2010 average it snows 2 days on November. 4 on December, 6 on January...

Do you know how many days has snowed until the March of 2016? one day in the 1st week of January with a very few snow flakes, which even't arrived to the ground in most of the city. lol...

I remember my childhood doing snowmans various times in a year... the snow was of 10 or more cm on the ground... Now this happens 1-2 times in most years... Photos from 2015:



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Old 01-15-2017, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Philly suburbs
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We've had more snow than we used to. There has been a spike in the last ten years especially.

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Old 01-16-2017, 06:49 AM
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Location: Tennessee
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The other myth is that it snows more because it's warmer.
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Old 01-16-2017, 08:15 AM
 
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A myth! A FACT!!!

In Rotterdam in the 1981-2010 average it snows 2 days on November. 4 on December, 6 on January...

Do you know how many days has snowed until the March of 2016? one day in the 1st week of January with a very few snow flakes, which even't arrived to the ground in most of the city. lol...

I remember my childhood doing snowmans various times in a year... the snow was of 10 or more cm on the ground... Now this happens 1-2 times in most years... Photos from 2015:


You're talking about a very few abnormal years. A few years of less-than-average snowfall (or rainfall, such as we had in California), does not make a long-term trend.
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Old 01-16-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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The Rutgers Univ. Global Snow Lab has data on snow cover during the satellite era. Like most climate-related variables, snow cover shows a strong seasonal cycle, with more snow in winter and less in summer. When looking for trends, it’s useful to compute anomaly, the difference between a given month’s value and the average for the same month throughout the data record. Here’s the anomaly data for northern hemisphere snow cover:


https://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/snow-2/
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Old 01-16-2017, 11:08 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Note from his link Dec-Feb has had little trend in snow cover. The biggest changes are in spring and summer. Those of us at the midlatitudes rarely have snow then or now. Those big decreases are from high latitudes losing the snow cover earlier in the spring / early summer. The trend that affects us is winter numbers.
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:06 PM
 
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I don't feel like going backwards and checking records, but I will say that recent winters have had either well below normal snowfall or well above normal snowfall. I prefer the former of course......
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