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Much of the left's leadership has quietly given up the good fight because it's too much of hassle, plus it's harmful to their personal bottom line. They've become, as they say in France, la gauche caviar.
Much of the left's leadership has quietly given up the good fight because it's too much of hassle, plus it's harmful to their personal bottom line. They've become, as they say in France, la gauche caviar.
We have a term for that in English as well - champagne socialist. I think it's silly myself - having money doesn't preclude you from caring about the fortunes of those less well off. A lot of affluent individuals are willing to pay more in tax to support the services they themselves probably don't use but are used a lot by poor people.
If they profess to care about the less fortunate but avoid paying tax, then of course they are huge hypocrites.
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Do you think there will ever be an end to gender segregation?
People still self-segregate on the basis of race, so I doubt it.
In Canada I get called a right-winger, conservative and (worse) racist because I express the view that I would not be open to have women with face-coverings occupy governmental positions of authority like police officers and public school teachers.
It's pretty f-ed up when people who stand up for women's rights get accused of being the exact opposite because we won't "tolerate the intolerant".
That's what it's come down to these days: to be liberal you now have to accept the illiberal. Riiiight. So stop the magic bus please, I wanna get off.
In any event, the classic left vs. right paradigm of the western world is well into the initial stages of what will bring it crashing down rather messily.
I think I agree with no burqa in positions of authority, though it sounds unnecessary; a solution in search of a problem. Otherwise, I'd strongly oppose a burqa ban; the government should not be regulating people's clothing, especially any connected to religious views. I'd say that's a fairly important part to qualify of liberalism. I doubt a burqa ban would accomplish much for women's rights; it's not going to change any social views among the women nor give them more opportunities, many burqa-wearing women would stay home more. I dislike the burqa and there aren't many that wear, so I don't see it as that important of an idea either way, except on principle. Hijab bans are far worse. Besides being awful, it seems to come a moronic attitude of "expressing private religious views is bad".
Similarly, I'd oppose any hate speech laws strongly.
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I am getting sick of hearing this kind of crap. According to recent surveys, a majority of all of Britain's major political parties - including Labour and the Liberal Democrats - support a ban on the burka. Why are you letting a minority of people upset you so much? For some reason people seem to think ultra left-wing university students in the US are somehow representative of the left in general. News flash - they aren't. We dislike them as much as you.
In fact, the US is one of the few Western nations where a majority of people don't support a ban on the burka. Isn't that funny?
I'm rather that it's so high among Labour and Liberal Democrats; I found a poll where it barely lost even among Republicans. Perhaps the American difference is that there's a stronger sense of what government shouldn't do in a classically liberal sense; even if we aren't always consistent about it.
It's absolutely spot on though - it might come across as sneering, but sometimes people have good reason to sneer. People should listen to those who know better. It's like people who go to the doctor and get told to stop smoking but continue to do so anyway, or some 90 year woman who ate lard every day as a child and thinks that's proof medical experts 'don't know anything'. The working classes (otherwise labeled 'low information voters' in the UK) routinely vote against their own self-interest. The well-educated, well-off liberals of this world will be fine whatever happens - the celebrities who endorsed Clinton during the presidential debates don't care who wins or loses because they'll always come out unscathed. The Clintons will continue to be very wealthy and will go on to live a life that will never be afforded to us plebeians. Labour might be out of power in the UK but their politicians will still get a hefty pay rise. It's everyone else who will potentially suffer if things go wrong. It's the low-income voters who backed Leave in the UK who will suffer the most if the economy crashes after Article 50 is invoked. London and its prosperous hinterland - now seen as the enemy in the eyes of working-class northerners - will be fine, as it always has.
Often "working-class voters aren't voting for their interests" misses what their interests are. A lot of the more right-wing economic policies are destructive for the average person but much of the political mainstream isn't done that better. The bulk of working-class Republican voters aren't poor enough to qualify for most government benefits; instead they think they're voting for their tax dollars not going to poor people who don't work. Or their interest isn't primarily economic anyway. I don't deny that Brexit will have a negative impact, but the economic fears sound overblown. The biggest impact will probably be on London finance firms.
If push came to shove I just wouldn't have voted for anyone. Given voter turnout in the US last year fell to nearly 50%, I guess many others felt the same. America's turnout figures are truly horrible, even by our standards. What we have now is a president who lost the popular vote on very low turnout. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Trump himself.
Voter turnout was higher than 2012, it didn't fall. It was about 60%. Yes, he's starting out unpopular, and some who voted for him didn't like him much but didn't like Hillary either.
Since 1 January all Danish Krones will be minted in Finland, ending a 1000-year tradition of mint in Denmark, never to return.
Wonder how Drumpf and Republicans would react to a similar situation.
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