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Old 01-05-2017, 12:51 PM
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99% of our population speaks English.

Finally, the UK is better than the Nordics on something.
USA: 8.6% speak English less than very well; Florida 11.7%; Miami-Dade County 35%

 
Old 01-05-2017, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Doesn't your part of Florida have lots of non-English speakers?
Depends where, but in general yes. Some parts are really "American" though (like central and west Davie, Cooper City, a lot of Plantation, a good portion of Hollywood, etc).



That doesn't mean there isn't ignorant rednecks here though.
 
Old 01-05-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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If that's true probably a higher average speaking English than of the populace here being able to speak Swedish. I think 90 % have it as mother tongue, but probably 3-4 % out of the 25 % of foreign near descent don't speak it all. Very worrying sign of a failed integration model. Thing is though that stats like that are forbidden to produce in Sweden, it'd be too embarrassing for successive governments would those results leak...
A lot of European countries don't collect stats on those things. If you take France, it has something to do with the idea that all people in France are equal so there is no need to know these things.
 
Old 01-05-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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It's 2017 so I assume the lights will soon go out on Broadway and Alex will be flooded by New Yorkers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBPbOjA_cWg
 
Old 01-05-2017, 12:53 PM
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Depends where, but in general yes. Some parts are really "American" though (like central and west Davie, Cooper City, a lot of Plantation, a good portion of Hollywood, etc).



That doesn't mean there isn't ignorant rednecks here though.
Are the "Americans" more native southerners or NYC area (or Northeast) transplants?
 
Old 01-05-2017, 12:54 PM
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Yeah, this seems to be the major divide. If you look at many anti-immigrant parties in Europe, they are usually against 'third world' immigration rather than immigration in general. In the UK that's not the case, since anti-immigrant parties here dislike immigration in general, whether it's from Pakistan or Poland. For them it's mostly about the strains immigration causes on housing, education and healthcare, as well as job competition pushing down wages for low income earners - or at least, this is the facade they use.
Yea, I've heard "UK is full" used as an anti-immigration argument there; haven't heard that in the US. Or really common much anywhere else?
 
Old 01-05-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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Are the "Americans" more native southerners or NYC area (or Northeast) transplants?
There's a good bit of both, though any "native" here under the age of 40 isn't exactly "southern" in terms of how they speak. Older natives do have a very noticeable southern influence in their speech though.



Of course, there's no shortage of NYC transplants. They never fail to remind you where they're from.



And then there's people from the Midwest too.
 
Old 01-05-2017, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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If that's true probably a higher average speaking English than of the populace here being able to speak Swedish. I think 90 % have it as mother tongue, but probably 3-4 % out of the 25 % of foreign near descent don't speak it all. Very worrying sign of a failed integration model. Thing is though that stats like that are forbidden to produce in Sweden, it'd be too embarrassing for successive governments would those results leak...
You're saying that you have a decent chunk of immigrants to Sweden who don't speak Swedish? So they speak, say... Somali and English, but no Swedish? Or Russian and English, but no Swedish?
 
Old 01-05-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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In Sweden some people use the ridiculous argument that we have a lot of space (for 30 million more people). Problem though:

1, We already have a food carrying capacity of 7-8 million and has to import the rest. Imagine if pasta and rice stopped coming in from Italy and India already? First of all we'd need to cut a heckload of trees to increase it to our current population.

2, The trees would have to be cut in the most fertile region where there are the greatest agricultural opportunities, therefore not benefitting the quasi-empoverished Northern areas that solely survive on Stockholm subsidizing.

3, Sweden is forested, Poland is agrarian and can thus feed more people. It's part of how Sweden is and can't be removed. A Sweden full of open fields wouldn't be Sweden anymore. Historically at least, Swedes have tremendous affection for our forests and natural environments. Try and cut a forest even near a city and prepare for five-year legal battles.

4, There's a massive apartment crisis especially in the big cities, but has spread to some smaller ones too. In a mid-size town it takes four years in a queue to get a decent one, in Stockholm 25 years. The reason? Single households. Swedes don't marry and date anymore hence the nativity rates are only upheld by uneducated families who can ill afford anything. In my age (25) I don't know many people at all with serious education who actually have kids on their own. Thus the Stockholm apartments are taken up by leafy sometimes-dating, mostly-single late 20, early 30-somethings who are in it for their careers only.

5, The current demand would need half a million apartments to be built in the next ten years (a pipe dream, I think 300 k is doable and then the borders would need to be semi-closed for asylum applications like they are now too for that even to work). Most students already live in crowded spaces like it was tuition fee-America or something. Forward-thinking students like myself and who can use legal language with landlords when discussing contracts have never had an issue, but so many aren't.

In that current climate, the loony part of the Swedish left advocates lowering all borders permanently. Frankly I'd take 50 k widow and below 10 years old child refugees without any problems if it meant swapping the loons on Facebook and Twitter and sending them to San Francisco where they belong
 
Old 01-05-2017, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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You're saying that you have a decent chunk of immigrants to Sweden who don't speak Swedish? So they speak, say... Somali and English, but no Swedish? Or Russian and English, but no Swedish?
Mother tongue and extremely basic Swedish most likely.

I've heard from people involved that Syrians that have come here often speak quite good English but it's a mixed bag. Generally speaking what English does is aiding learning Swedish. Any English-speaking jobs go to educated mother-tongue speakers or Swedes anyways.
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