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Old 08-19-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Livable? Depends on what you mean. Grew up in the deep south without AC. Canning bean in August in a kitchen full of steam. Don't get me wrong, I love having AC in the summer. It's just there's a difference between would I want to live without AC and could I live without AC.
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Old 08-19-2018, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Forest bathing
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Anywhere along coastal Washington and Oregon. Bellingham, Wa as well.
Not the past few summers. I know this as a native.
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Old 08-19-2018, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Seattle area
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I think he actually meant the actual coast and not the Puget Sound.
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Old 08-19-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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Not the past few summers. I know this as a native.
Friends are pioneers in the WA grape and wine industry...

Ask them about global warming and they say lets have more of it.

For the past 30 or so years the grapes are better and harvests larger...

Summers are setting records and other friends that left California say it reminds them of California climate.

Other friends raise hay... they sell all they can produce and some going as far away as Texas when it had severe drought.
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Flagstaff AZ.
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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If wood rots in the forest isn't the same amount of CO2 released?
Theoretically, but the rate is far different, since burning releases CO2 immediately while rotting does it over time. Some of the wood also ends up buried and doesn't rot. given enough time, it turns into coal.
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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Basically sequestered?

Are big problem here in California is the ever increasing size/magnitude of the wild land fires...

The forests going up in flames, lives lost, property damage, etc... and all burning with no controls such as burning in an EPA certified stove...

It really seems inevitable so why not make the best of it... thin the forests, encourage AG and basically anything to manage wild lands so such devastation and loss is avoided...

Last year... the smoke was so bad from fires many miles away that the ER was flooded with people have breathing problems... the malls closed, schools closed... worst I have every experienced... such a waste of resources not to mention the impact on air quality...

As to AC... where my brother lives no one had A/C back in the 1950's except the movie theaters...

Fast forward to today... EVERYONE there has it.

My brother was one of the last holdouts... he got married and his wife A/C or I am out of here...

A/C is one of those things that once experienced becomes a must have.... just like with cars.

My friends in Germany use to scoff at Americans with their automatic cars and A/C.

Fast forward and they all have A/C and manual transmissions are in great decline.

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Old 08-20-2018, 04:46 AM
 
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I’m 60. I didn’t have A/C growing up in New England.
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:33 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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There are some very high elevation areas in western NC that would probably be fine without air conditioning.
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Old 08-20-2018, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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Friends are pioneers in the WA grape and wine industry...

Ask them about global warming and they say lets have more of it..

Well, they should encourage more people to use AC then!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.349ff255f31b

" I calculate, based on figures from the Energy Information Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency, that the air conditioning of America has a climate impact equivalent to 500 million tons of carbon dioxide — more than all industrial processes combined. About three-fourths of the impact is from generating the electricity to cool buildings, and the rest is split evenly between excess fuel consumption by air-conditioned vehicles and leakage of refrigerants used by all air conditioners."

Office building workers in hot climates, gridlocked motorists in the blazing heat, the old and infirm, these individuals may need it to avoid passing out, but most other use isn't really necessary.

It's primarily used to meet one's standard of comfort, which has generally evolved in a softer direction over the past half century or so.
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