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I've heard that places that are at a low altitude or heavily influenced by ocean streams or the ocean can have much warmer climates than their latitude would suggest. I know the Azores have a Humid Subtropical climate at 40 north parallel, but are there any places at a similar latitude that have a Tropical climate between the 30th and 80th parallel north or south?
Bermuda technically has an Af climate under the Köppen system. There's been some debate on this forum over whether Bermuda is a tropical climate or a very mild subtropical climate.
It looks like the wiki page calculated the coldest month mean wrong for Bermuda. If you take the high and low for the month and divide it’s still an subtropical climate, but very close to tropical. I think Midway Atoll might be the furthest from the equator that’s fully tropical
No, subtropical forests: yes, but not enough for tropical. Take in mind that the Miami area very likely constitutes the northernmost tropical climate in the world, and it sits around 25º. So, the clear answer is no.
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It looks like the wiki page calculated the coldest month mean wrong for Bermuda. If you take the high and low for the month and divide it’s still an subtropical climate, but very close to tropical. I think Midway Atoll might be the furthest from the equator that’s fully tropical
yep, I have Bermuda as tropical/subtropical borderline climate in my system. Midway Atoll is the same case, but it could be some other isolated island wich is close to it, along with the aforementioned soFL.
According to the map attached at the bottom of the post (along with the supporting text directly below) India is the northernmost place on the planet with full-blown tropical rainforest, ecologically speaking — buttressed trees, mesophyll/macrophyll leaves, large woody climbers, etc. They are located within deep valleys in the state of Assam, enriched with heavy monsoon rains, with the mighty Himalayas protecting from the Siberian cold waves (and compressionally warming any air that does manage to cross). https://www.facebook.com/SimonGerman...5068847238217/ https://www.jstor.org/stable/2997817?origin=crossref
There are very well quite a few others that I might be missing. Particularly islands like Hawaii, New Caledonia, etc. Otherwise, all of these places are incredible, when you consider that most real tropical rainforests are located only within ~10° of the equator.
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No, subtropical forests: yes, but not enough for tropical. Take in mind that the Miami area very likely constitutes the northernmost tropical climate in the world, and it sits around 25º. So, the clear answer is no.
yep, I have Bermuda as tropical/subtropical borderline climate in my system. Midway Atoll is the same case, but it could be some other isolated island wich is close to it, along with the aforementioned soFL.
Come now, you can't just roll your own system and decide arbitrarily what the answer is.
According to the map attached at the bottom of the post (along with the supporting text directly below) India is the northernmost place on the planet with full-blown tropical rainforest, ecologically speaking — buttressed trees, mesophyll/macrophyll leaves, large woody climbers, etc. They are located within deep valleys in the state of Assam, enriched with heavy monsoon rains, with the mighty Himalayas protecting from the Siberian cold waves (and compressionally warming any air that does manage to cross). https://www.facebook.com/SimonGerman...5068847238217/ https://www.jstor.org/stable/2997817?origin=crossref
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I've noticed Assam has very long and humid (dew point-wise) 'summers', even if they're noticeably cooler than in the Indo-Gangetic Plain or even the Bengal Delta. And Guwahati isn't that far below 18 C in January.
According to the map attached at the bottom of the post (along with the supporting text directly below) India is the northernmost place on the planet with full-blown tropical rainforest, ecologically speaking — buttressed trees, mesophyll/macrophyll leaves, large woody climbers, etc. They are located within deep valleys in the state of Assam, enriched with heavy monsoon rains, with the mighty Himalayas protecting from the Siberian cold waves (and compressionally warming any air that does manage to cross). https://www.facebook.com/SimonGerman...5068847238217/ https://www.jstor.org/stable/2997817?origin=crossref
There are very well quite a few others that I might be missing. Particularly islands like Hawaii, New Caledonia, etc. Otherwise, all of these places are incredible, when you consider that most real tropical rainforests are located only within ~10° of the equator.
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What are your thoughts on the Gondwana Rainforests of Australia? Very tropical-feeling IMO. This photo was taken near the Gold Coast at latitude 28°S.
According to the map attached at the bottom of the post (along with the supporting text directly below) India is the northernmost place on the planet with full-blown tropical rainforest, ecologically speaking — buttressed trees, mesophyll/macrophyll leaves, large woody climbers, etc. They are located within deep valleys in the state of Assam, enriched with heavy monsoon rains, with the mighty Himalayas protecting from the Siberian cold waves (and compressionally warming any air that does manage to cross). https://www.facebook.com/SimonGerman...5068847238217/ https://www.jstor.org/stable/2997817?origin=crossref
There are very well quite a few others that I might be missing. Particularly islands like Hawaii, New Caledonia, etc. Otherwise, all of these places are incredible, when you consider that most real tropical rainforests are located only within ~10° of the equator.
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Yep, I forgot about the Brahamaputra's plains, wich are comparable to SoFL. But still, it applies more on the actual sea level, non forested plains, rather than the hilly forests nearby, wich look definitely more subtropicalish to me.
You're right to throw the Atlantic forest into the discussion, too. Heck, and not only around Ubatuba (23ºS) but all down to northeastern tip Argentina. In fact, I would say, based in the most superficial look, that the rainforest of Misiones province is the strongest candidate as the most "poleward" tropicalish forest in the world. Some places in the jungles of Misiones are not easy to distinguish from the Amazon. Enough said.
Misiones is continuous with the Atlantic Forest of Espirito Santo, Rio de Janeiro, and Sao Paulo even if the monthly mean temperatures are just short of tropical. Very similar flora and fauna.
The Australian east coast subtropical rainforest is heavily tropical influenced but disjunct from the true tropical rainforest of far north Queensland (Daintree) which has greater affinity with New Guinea and Indomalaya.
There are tropical moist forests on some of the Ogasawara Islands as far north as 27*N (Chichijima) that are just above the 18C mark. The forests have more affinities with Micronesia and Polynesia compared to the Ryukyu Islands or even Taiwan.
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