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Basically, my point is Mother Nature is going to do anything she wants, whenever she wants to and any mere human that thinks they can screw with her is seriously on crack..
And those who don't seem to have only listened to the officials in the US who has (this is a fact that has been proven) censured the SCIENTIFIC findings that supports the Global warming case.
I am sorry, but it seems as if it is only in the US and in other countries where the economy is more important than the well being of the earth that it is still considered the "truth" that there is no such thing as global warming induced by humans.
There is, and it IS going on as we speak. No matter if what's going on only seems natural and that it has been going on before. Yes, it has been warm before, and yes, there have been high peeks before regarding CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere - but never like this. And always in proportion to one another.
Antarktis IS melting, and no cold winter can stop it. Reduce the loss yes, but not stop it, and not prevent it. And when Antarktis goes, so goes The Netherlands, New York, Bangladesh, Tuvalu etc.
If you believe it is only a saga, told by the communists to bring down the economy, then tell this to the people of Tuvalu.
In less than 20 years there will be nothing left above sea level of their country. This is a fact, and it is already disappearing. The country is already being evacuated.
Trying to reduce the effects of the Global warming will not make you live as if you lived in a 3 world country. Countries in Europe are doing this with success, and our economies are blooming. A "healthier living" is not a threat, but the Global warming is.
It is only in the media that the scientists seem to not be able to agree wether this is happening or not.
If you read the scientific reports, you will see that almost everyone agrees that this IS a problem.
If you're feeling fooled, and that you therefor will ignore this matter until it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt, please don't stop at that. Read the scientific reports (not the ones censured by the GWBush regime though) and then speak your mind.
Yes, it's convenient to say that there is no such thing as Global warming, and that there therefore is no need for a change in behavior.
But why is the rest of the western countries doing whatever they can do stop it if it doesn't exist?
We all can't be wrong...
going by what I think Sweden said, yes, yes you can all be wrong and anyone that looks at actual facts can say without a doubt that yes, you are in fact wrong...
I lived in Europe for a while and saw more pollution than I've ever seen in the US and most countries there will have taxed themselves out of existence way before the polar caps melt..
BTW, talk to someone that's actually in Antarctica and ask them how the ice is doing...
going by what I think Sweden said, yes, yes you can all be wrong and anyone that looks at actual facts can say without a doubt that yes, you are in fact wrong...
I lived in Europe for a while and saw more pollution than I've ever seen in the US and most countries there will have taxed themselves out of existence way before the polar caps melt..
BTW, talk to someone that's actually in Antarctica and ask them how the ice is doing...
What country in Europe are you talking about?? There are 47!!!! It is not true that we are more polluted than you, that is silly.
According to actual facts, we are correct. Look up the facts, not the censured of course, before you form an opinion.
We will not have "taxed ourselves out of existence", fact is that we actually get money for doing good things for the environement. We're earning money from fighting global warming, not losing.
The only people living in Antarctica are scientists. Guess what they'll be saying. Those are the people warning us about the melting. It is a fact that it is melting, and it is not even being censured...
Isn't it funny that it is THE most pollutioning country in the world that constantly says there is nothing wrong with pollution...
What country in Europe are you talking about?? There are 47!!!! It is not true that we are more polluted than you, that is silly.
According to actual facts, we are correct. Look up the facts, not the censured of course, before you form an opinion.
We will not have "taxed ourselves out of existence", fact is that we actually get money for doing good things for the environement. We're earning money from fighting global warming, not losing.
The only people living in Antarctica are scientists. Guess what they'll be saying. Those are the people warning us about the melting. It is a fact that it is melting, and it is not even being censured...
Isn't it funny that it is THE most pollutioning country in the world that constantly says there is nothing wrong with pollution...
I know how many countries are in Europe and most of them are so polluted that there isn't even a safe drinking water system. Then there's the chronic garbage people strikes that leave trash on the streets for months on end.. The countries I was talking about were more towards the east though and even though you may not consider them true European countries they never the less are countries in Europe...
You DO NOT get paid to be friendly to the environment... You are given money that the government took from you in the first place.. hello.. money really doesn't grow on trees. It's called redistributing the wealth and it's one of those socialism things that Europe loves so much, until it taxes them out of existence.. Talk to someone in Norway and ask them how they're enjoying the taxes there.. I just read an article on it for my business class and it's not pretty...
and yes, the scientists in Antarctica are the ones you should be talking to.. There is one of them in another forum I belong to and he is always telling us about the ice growing down there and he's ACTUALLY THERE!! I know, it's not an "expert" from an intraweb blog, but I'd much rather hear it from someone that's actually THERE..
BTW, I'm thinking of going on a cruise to Europe next year and one of the stops is in Finland and there's allegedly a bridge to Sweden (according to this DVD I watched). Is it free to go over into Sweden? and can you do it with just a passport? I love adding countries to my list of places visited and if all it requires is a short bus trip over a bridge then there's no way I'd miss that. Plus I always wanted to go to Sweden, even though it's expensive as bejeebies..
I know how many countries are in Europe and most of them are so polluted that there isn't even a safe drinking water system. Then there's the chronic garbage people strikes that leave trash on the streets for months on end.. The countries I was talking about were more towards the east though and even though you may not consider them true European countries they never the less are countries in Europe...
They are European countries, but Europe is divided into 1) western (industrialized) and 2) Eastern (not very industrialised). Western is not very polluted, definetively not worse than the US (Sweden is the least polluted country in the world, FYI)
Not most countries are polluted like that. Few countries are, and they are all Eastern.
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You DO NOT get paid to be friendly to the environment... You are given money that the government took from you in the first place.. hello.. money really doesn't grow on trees. It's called redistributing the wealth and it's one of those socialism things that Europe loves so much, until it taxes them out of existence.. Talk to someone in Norway and ask them how they're enjoying the taxes there.. I just read an article on it for my business class and it's not pretty...
Sweden is the country in the world with the HIGHEST taxes, but we also get a lot for it. Like free health care and money back for buying environmental-good things (such as cars driven on ethanol etc).
Everyone pays taxes, but you'll get some back if you buy environmental-good things. The other ones will not get that money back
If the money goes to the correct things then a country won't taxe itself out of existens. I know Americans were told this in the mid 20th century because of the deep fear of communism (that was actually brought on by fear of the Sovjet, nothing else) but it isn't true. Taxes are what builds countries and is meant to be used for good things for the people. Like giving back for doing good deeds (like thinking ahead when it comes to the environment).
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and yes, the scientists in Antarctica are the ones you should be talking to.. There is one of them in another forum I belong to and he is always telling us about the ice growing down there and he's ACTUALLY THERE!! I know, it's not an "expert" from an intraweb blog, but I'd much rather hear it from someone that's actually THERE..
How can you be sure he REALLY IS there and that he IS a scientist? Until this has been proven beyond doubt, what he says cannot be fully trusted. And just based on what one says, you cannot tell anything. I don't speak for every person in Sweden, nor does anyone of you for the entire US.
And SCIENCE isn't based on ONE man's word. Especially not when the vast majority says different. And if one can't fint a scientist living there, just look at the data they send. Google it. Or watch Al Gore's film. It is not propaganda, don't worry. What he says IS supported by scientists all over the world.
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BTW, I'm thinking of going on a cruise to Europe next year and one of the stops is in Finland and there's allegedly a bridge to Sweden (according to this DVD I watched). Is it free to go over into Sweden? and can you do it with just a passport? I love adding countries to my list of places visited and if all it requires is a short bus trip over a bridge then there's no way I'd miss that. Plus I always wanted to go to Sweden, even though it's expensive as bejeebies..
Please throw that DVD out! There is NO bridge from Finland to Sweden! There is a HUGE ocean between our countries - it takes about 15 hours by boat to reach Finland from Sweden (Stockholm-Helsinki). No bridge!
But you can take the ferry. That's always nice. Costs a bit, yes, but everything does. And no VISA or anything, just a passport.
And stay longer in Sweden, it's really nice here
I would like to know why nobody is reporting what has to be record lows (averages) this year. <clip>
I realize this doesn't mesh very well with all of the global warming stories, ...
This is excatly why you now hear the term "Climatic Change".
First Global Cooling failed in the '70s. Now Global warming has shown signs of failing in 2007. Soooo, the buzz word has changed to Climatic Change.
But wait, theres a new one on the horizon "Universal Warming".
Yes folks, we are responsible for warming the ENTIRE universe.
everyone here now knows that he is doing all this just for the money and he is basically a joke. his live earth concerts failed, his son is in jail and he's munching on endangered species for dinner.. I always knew he was a liar, it just took the others a while to figure it out.
also, the person on the forum always has a LOT of picture from down there and they are seriously impressive. I'm sure he could be getting hundreds of pictures from there from someone else, but he's been doing it for years and it just really doesn't seem worth it to lie for that long.. plus all the pictures of him and his wife are always of the same person..
I was wrong with the DVD, it was a bridge from Copenhage, Denmark.. that exists right? and I seriously wish I was rich enough to hit every country in the world at least once. I would still never call anything but the US home, but I do like to travel and in my 20 years in the Navy I went all over the place, including the Fjords of Norway. This cruise starts in England and goes to Russia, Estonia, Denmark, Holland, Germany and Finland. Hopefully we can save up enough money and no unexpected bills come up.
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