So, Wisconsinites, Holiday tree or Christmas tree? (Milwaukee: live, vs)

[WINH]

But when it offends someone today and we wipe it from the history books or destroy symbols of it and rewrite it so it never happened the past does matter because it can be a guide that the bad part parts are not repeated and even the good parts are treasured to remember why it was good

[timberline742]

No one is wiping anything from the history books. No one is destroying anything. Please stop the baseless hyperbole.

[Master Jay]

Some people will not like the term holiday, for it references "holy days", with a religious connotation. Perhaps people need to be stronger to have pride in their beliefs, and not be offended at things that are coming from a good place in their heart. I'm a Catholic, and speechless at, for example, the child abuse scandal. But I do not need to remove myself from the Church, because of it. Historically, different religions have done horrible things. And don't forget there are GOOD people in all cultures and religionsas well! Judge someone for their character and intent.... I grew up with Chrustmas trees. If someone calls it a holiday tree or pine needle tree or whatever, I'm not going to have my day spoiled. If someone is easily offended, the counselor in me says: maybe we should take a further look inside, to see why hurt comes so easily....Have a good afternoon. Master Jay in Milwaukee

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Originally Posted by timberline742

Evers isn't doing anything new. The right is just making issues out of nothing, again, to avoid addressing real issues. They're such snowflakes. Not even real snowflakes, fake ones, creating drama left and right. The fake perceived "Christian" persecution complex is hilarious, or would be, if so many clueless people didn't buy into it... same people that believe Trump is a great Christian and who hate Jimmy Carter.

So basically, the left can change definitions and move goalposts and then blame the right for starting the problem by not going along with the changes.






Okee dokee then.

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Originally Posted by timberline742

Now science is "political correctness"? LOL.

It is when it’s a politician pandering to his base.

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Originally Posted by Empidonax

In the United States and in other Eurocentric, developed countries, the "Christmas Tree" has become a symbol of mass consumerism and popular culture. Most people don't buy them in order to think about Christ and the Bible; they buy them so they can hang (mostly non-religious) decorations on them and put (usually non-religious) gifts under them. Other "Christian" societies do not use the "Christmas Tree" very much at all.

The "Christmas Tree" has, in fact, become a "Holiday Tree" in United States culture. It lost its identity as a purely "Christian" symbol long ago, well before "PC culture." It's the Christmas season equivalent of the Easter Bunny, candy basket, and dyed eggs at Easter.

The conservatives shouldn't get so worked up over this, but they have nothing better to do.

Oh wait, the conservative-controlled State Assembly is looking at declaring Thanksgiving Week "Bible Week." That should really help things:

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news...t8uhh8zt_ZGb9M

BTW, it's petty to think that science is "becoming its own religion." Isn't science supposed to be a beautiful manifestation of God's creation? Or does that only apply to the science that keeps its mouth shut and produces useful gadgets for a consumerist society?

I don’t disagree with much of what you said here.
I have issues with the consumerist culture and I think science and religion can compliment each other.

Where we differ is who it is that has too much time in their hands. I’d say both sides dabble heavily with meaningless declarations that all too often drive wedges between us.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by sub

So basically, the left can change definitions and move goalposts and then blame the right for starting the problem by not going along with the changes.






Okee dokee then.

Basically you make things up as much as Trump. There is no problem here, except in your head. You can call the tree whatever you want.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by sub

It is when it’s a politician pandering to his base.

So science only speaks to one base you are saying? Not to everyone?

I wonder why a certain base thinks that.

[Milwaukee City]

Ok there are a lot of false premises here, as god fearing man and I don't care want you do or how you do it but let's call a Christmas Tree a Christmas tree, it is has always been known as that so don't change it. It just seems obnoxious to call it something other than it is because it will make you feel better. A Holy Day Tree still acknowledges faith in a god and everyone still knows what god or faith the tree represents or refers to, so why try to hide it?

A spoon is a spoon, black is black, a car is a car. Words have meaning and if we don't stick to them we lose our language. The reasons this is a sensitive subject to Christians because just like race is a sensitive subject for minorities we see a lot of attacks or ways society mocks us or tries to cover up Jesus or any reference to a God and makes fun of us for believing in what we believe. A church isn't a place full of hypocrites, it's a hospital for sinners.

Holiday Tree name is not a big deal or a huge deal but it serves as another daily reminder of the war on religion or wiping any reference to God out of our society. We'd love to convert you all to Christ followers but we are not hell bent on converting you as much as the non believer is dead set against on getting religion out of our society everywhere and any way possible.



Anyways...God Bless!

[Empidonax]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee City

Ok there are a lot of false premises here, as god fearing man and I don't care want you do or how you do it but let's call a Christmas Tree a Christmas tree, it is has always been known as that so don't change it. It just seems obnoxious to call it something other than it is because it will make you feel better. A Holy Day Tree still acknowledges faith in a god and everyone still knows what god or faith the tree represents or refers to, so why try to hide it?

What false premises? It was called a Holiday Tree in Madison for many years before Walker took over and renamed it.

A spoon is a spoon, black is black, a car is a car. Words have meaning and if we don't stick to them we lose our language.

Both "Christmas Tree" and "Holiday Tree" have meaning. Why get so worked up over it? Just pick the one you want and move forward with life.

The reasons this is a sensitive subject to Christians because just like race is a sensitive subject for minorities we see a lot of attacks or ways society mocks us or tries to cover up Jesus or any reference to a God and makes fun of us for believing in what we believe. A church isn't a place full of hypocrites, it's a hospital for sinners.

A church is often both. Maybe the people are sinners looking for guidance and redemption, but that doesn't always get them off the hook outside of church. Socially, politically, and culturally speaking (and religiously speaking), they can still be hypocrites. This also applies to clergy and other church authorities.

Holiday Tree name is not a big deal or a huge deal but it serves as another daily reminder of the war on religion or wiping any reference to God out of our society. We'd love to convert you all to Christ followers but we are not hell bent on converting you as much as the non believer is dead set against on getting religion out of our society everywhere and any way possible.

Anyways...God Bless!

The real "war on religion" is the one that religious people wage on each other. Don't forget that many of the supporters of "Holiday Tree" are themselves progressive Christians who want to be more ecumenical and inclusive. The most vocal proponents of gay marriage and leniency for immigrants are from progressive religious denominations. Those Christians, though progressive, are no less Christian than you are. Pride may make you think they are, but that's something you have to grapple with. Pride also seems to make you think that non-believers are enemies. Maybe it's time for a dose of old-fashioned Christian humility?