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Old 11-29-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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As a college degree becomes more commonplace, more people are getting their degree. There is 'some' truth to the idea that a bachelors is the new high school degree.

So, there is more of a need for instructors to teach the growing demand. How do you see this demand affecting the demand for doctorate educated professors and their rate of pay, if anything?
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:21 AM
 
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Competition for "easy" liberal arts slots is so brutal as to drive PhD students into murderous rages / insanity. For more technical slots the bizarre system of aging professors milking the labor of doctoral candidates serves as a means to keep the PhD salaries artificially high and the life of doctoral candidates pretty bleak...
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:32 AM
 
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As a college degree becomes more commonplace, more people are getting their degree. There is 'some' truth to the idea that a bachelors is the new high school degree.

So, there is more of a need for instructors to teach the growing demand. How do you see this demand affecting the demand for doctorate educated professors and their rate of pay, if anything?
No, there is clearly diminishing demand for college instructors, not growing. Most PhD's are stuck teaching as adjuncts for low pay and no benefits. That is not likely to change, since colleges save a lot of money by doing it, and until the glut of PhD's is depleted it will only get worse.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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No, I don't see college degrees as the new HS diploma.

The need for more full-time tenured faculty positions has not increased significantly, if at all. More work is being done and will continue to be done by adjuncts.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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I've noticed that a lot of schools are starting to have classroom sizes upwards of 15-20 students. This is one way they are able to keeping faculty down while reducing the quality of education.

I also think that since college tuition is going back to normal pricing, the number of students who attend college may go down. But that's just a guess.

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Old 11-29-2012, 10:08 AM
 
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Competition for "easy" liberal arts slots is so brutal as to drive PhD students into murderous rages / insanity. For more technical slots the bizarre system of aging professors milking the labor of doctoral candidates serves as a means to keep the PhD salaries artificially high and the life of doctoral candidates pretty bleak...
Agreed. I have friends that went on to get PhD's and work at the College of Engineering and Applied Science at ASU and they ended up getting strung along as adjunct faculty with relatively meager pay and no benefits for 5+ years. Of course those same people dont have to get out of bed until 8am each day and get 3 months off in the summer.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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Interesting...

I don't think there's any doubt that education (along with healthcare) is a booming industry. So many more people are going to college. You would think the need for educators would increase. But better to hear it from people who have been there.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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As a college degree becomes more commonplace, more people are getting their degree. There is 'some' truth to the idea that a bachelors is the new high school degree.

So, there is more of a need for instructors to teach the growing demand. How do you see this demand affecting the demand for doctorate educated professors and their rate of pay, if anything?
Are you interested in vocational, college or university teaching? Or do you want to teach at a for profit college in the US? The answer is it largely depends.

More and more teachers are adjunct at the college level. I think the answer largely depends on the subject matter you plan to teach and how much more graduate school you need. If you have only a master's degree, your options are very limited to part time teaching (and very low pay). If you have a PhD, you may have more options, but it largely depends on the subject matter. If you are going to teach French linguistics, you obviously will have fewer job opportunities than someone who is certified to teach ESOL (English as a Second Language). It makes sense to teach in a high-demand subject area, but if you already have a lot of education behind you, you will have a long road ahead of you in obtaining more graduate degrees in a high-demand subject matter.

Either way, given what I know, I think the pay in the long run won't be all that great, given all the existing educated competition to fill most adult teaching slots. State-run colleges are cutting budgets all over the county and they save money by cutting staff and moving towards an adjunct system, so they can pay less and save money.
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