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I realize that it is popular to criticize anything government, but you are simply incorrect.
Virtually everybody earning 50k plus where I work puts in more than 40. If you include after hours emails, working on projects over the weekend and that type of thing, I doubt I could find a single person working under 45.
I am not saying that we are overworked, but I am saying that the stereotype of 9-5 government workers who leave the office with a clean desk and no responsibilities is wrong.
Virtually everybody earning 50k plus where I work puts in more than 40.
They probably do. How much is their skill worth to them? To the company?
Break it down:
52wks x 40hrs @$Xper =2080 RT hours
48wks x 10hrs @$1.5Xper =720 OT hours
Combined... that comes out to 2800 hours
vs the $50,000 "salary" it extends down to $17.86 per hour
Do you think they would agree they're $17/hr people?
Probably not.
The question remains is why do they continue to tolerate that?
Maybe the reality is that they're really $12/hr people and have hit the jackpot.
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I realize that it is popular to criticize anything government, but you are simply incorrect.
Virtually everybody earning 50k plus where I work puts in more than 40. If you include after hours emails, working on projects over the weekend and that type of thing, I doubt I could find a single person working under 45.
I am not saying that we are overworked, but I am saying that the stereotype of 9-5 government workers who leave the office with a clean desk and no responsibilities is wrong.
They exist, but they don't pay anything like 50k to start. My last government job included nights and weekends, often long hours, and yes, I took a pay cut (of $13k total compensation) for it because I believed in the mission of the organization and thought it was a good long term career move.
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My financial advisor had given me some statistics that were pretty frightening/dismall. I may get the overall numbers wrong but it will illustrate the point nonetheless. "If you earn more than $50,000 annually, you are in the top 1% of the world’s income earners. Have $61,000 in assets? You’re among the richest 10% of the adults in the world,
That isn't really saying much though, considering the millions of people in other countries that make nothing, or the equivalent of $0.50/hour. Adjusted for inflation and buying power, today's income of $100,000 is the same as about $40,000 in the 1970s. I don't know a family today can survive on $50,000.
I make well over $50k but I rarely work over 40 hours per week. I rarely think about work outside of work. I do have a Masters although I could have gotten my current job without it (I work as a market research analyst).
Wrong. Even as an exempt manager I work 7-3 and rarely have to answer calls or check emails after hours. Same with all of my staff, all making more than 60k.
Hemlock, What kind of work do you do, if you don't mind me asking? Most of the people I know work way more than that, and most weekends too.
A lot of older folks are stuck working low-paying, part-time jobs, too, because the companies are mostly hiring part time. The big companies know that there are a ton of workers out there who need the money, so they treat them badly. (in general, and it happened to me, too.)
Legal assistant work, make quite a bit over 50k. However, I work in litigation and it is VERY interesting and engaging. I work 40 hrs per week except for trials/depositions/etc. I am getting paid time and one half, so it is profitable for me. I do not take work home with me or think about work.
You have to have a balance at some point. If someone is day trading stocks while on a smartphone that is one thing but certainly it helps to be able to manage work and home.
Many ancillary healthcare jobs require only a two year degree/certificate (gotten for cheap at a community college), then pay 70K/yr. Xray tech, ultrasound tech, radiation therapy technician, respiratory therapist are some of them. When you're not on duty, you're free and your time is your own.
There are a lot. I have one. I leave work at 5 and I don't think about it again until I walk in the door the next morning.
What do you consider to be "absurd levels of education or talent?" Do uneducated shlubs expect the big buck?
By the way, many jobs don't require people to stay constantly plugged in. Some people just get hooked on the devices and they fear they'll miss something. Most times, they can't take action on anything that arrives after 5 pm.
Spend a day as a coal miner or an ironworker erecting new beams several stories high and then tell us why these "uneducated shlubs" don`t deserve 60-70K a year. Such arrogance rubs this retired steelworker the wrong way.
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