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* Tens of millions of unemployed to choose from, millions of them with college educations in every discipline imaginable
* Tons of applicant tracking software products where they can learn anything they want about candidates. Along with LinkedIn, Facebook, reference checks, psychological tests, 6-hour intervieww, etc., endless opportunities opportunities to harass and snoop on candidates.
* People willing to work or peanuts, sometimes even for free so they can gain experience
And yet we still hear employers complain about not being able to find any qualified candidates. Are employers expecting perfect Americans with 10 yrs of experience to be served to them on a silver platter?
Let's say the answer to your question is: yes, employers have become "spoiled brats" with " endless opportunities opportunities to harass and snoop on candidates".
Now what? How does that help you find employment?
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And yet we still hear employers complain about not being able to find any qualified candidates. Are employers expecting perfect Americans with 10 yrs of experience to be served to them on a silver platter?
In short, yes. But I think it depends on the industry, too. Having spent most of my seven year career in telecom, I can say without a doubt that it's an 'Old Boys Club'. It's very incestuous in nature and they tend to hire only people with lots of experience in telecom. The average age in my department is probably about 50. I am the youngest person at 29 by about 15 years. I have tried to suggest my younger friends as potential candidates for jobs here, but they only seem to be interested in hiring within the 40+ crowd with 15+ years of experience. The only reason I was hired is because I knew my current manager from previous employment.
More generally, you're asking whether buyers have become spoiled brats about how they spend their money.
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* Tens of millions of unemployed to choose from, millions of them with college educations in every discipline imaginable
As a buyer, I know that there are tens of millions of cars without owners sitting on car sale lots. Many of them have technologically advanced drive trains and shiny paint of every color imaginable.
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* Tons of applicant tracking software products where they can learn anything they want about candidates. Along with LinkedIn, Facebook, reference checks, psychological tests, 6-hour intervieww, etc., endless opportunities opportunities to harass and snoop on candidates.
There's tons of online software products that track vehicles and allow me to learn everything I want to know about them. Along with Consumer Reports, CarFax, mechanics and long test drives.
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* People willing to work or peanuts, sometimes even for free so they can gain experience
Some cars are so discounted and built of low quality that they'll never be able to compete with the mid-level cars in the market
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And yet we still hear employers complain about not being able to find any qualified candidates. Are employers expecting perfect Americans with 10 yrs of experience to be served to them on a silver platter?
And yet I've seen buyers complain about not being able to find the car they desire. Realistically, there's only a handful of good candidates for any field of demand and the employers are fighting over them. The solution would be to invest in the creation of more good quality candidates.
If employers want to spend their money one way vs another, that's their right. Just like if car buyers want to spend their money on a certain type of car vs another.
Absolutely. Especially since employers have decided that they no longer need to train workers. They just keep posting for purple squirrels and playing tug of war with the same aging workers.
Also they complain about talent shortages when they can't find that purple squirrel, willing to take a pay cut, who is also fun to hang out with for the manager, and can get past all HR's quackery.
I have zero sympathy for companies that claim they can't find good workers.
I have zero sympathy for companies that claim they can't find good workers.
Whenever I hear that, I always think of two things..either the pay is lacking or the benefits are horrible. Of course, there may always be upper-level problems which result in employees never sticking around.
* Tens of millions of unemployed to choose from, millions of them with college educations in every discipline imaginable
* Tons of applicant tracking software products where they can learn anything they want about candidates. Along with LinkedIn, Facebook, reference checks, psychological tests, 6-hour intervieww, etc., endless opportunities opportunities to harass and snoop on candidates.
* People willing to work or peanuts, sometimes even for free so they can gain experience
And yet we still hear employers complain about not being able to find any qualified candidates. Are employers expecting perfect Americans with 10 yrs of experience to be served to them on a silver platter?
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I am not seeing the so-called problem finding good candidates, but we do require a lot of experience. In some cases as many as 10 years. We still get lots of applicants, but rarely are they out of work, most are already employed elsewhere.
It's not a matter of being "brats", it's simply good business to hire someone with the skills and experience that can make a significant contribution immediately. As long as such candidates are available there is no need to lower the hiring standards. It's no longer the 1990s when employers were fighting over the recent graduates and offering all kinds of benefits/incentives to attract them except for the bigger tech companies. Those are the ones complaining about the lack of good workers, and they are not likely to hire the people with no experience who are complaining about no jobs.
I am not seeing the so-called problem finding good candidates, but we do require a lot of experience. In some cases as many as 10 years. We still get lots of applicants, but rarely are they out of work, most are already employed elsewhere.
It's not a matter of being "brats", it's simply good business to hire someone with the skills and experience that can make a significant contribution immediately. As long as such candidates are available there is no need to lower the hiring standards. It's no longer the 1990s when employers were fighting over the recent graduates and offering all kinds of benefits/incentives to attract them except for the bigger tech companies. Those are the ones complaining about the lack of good workers, and they are not likely to hire the people with no experience who are complaining about no jobs.
This will pose a serious problem in 5-10 years once the Boomers start retiring in full force. There will be a serious skills/experience shortage among the younger generations, because very few gave them a chance and allowed them to develop their skills and experience. The problem with a lot of organizations is that they're run by old school, crusty, short-sighted, "this is the way it's always been done" individuals who couldn't care less about long term development and growth.
I guess it's cyclical. Companies will once again be paying through the nose for mediocre talent.
Let's say the answer to your question is: yes, employers have become "spoiled brats" with " endless opportunities opportunities to harass and snoop on candidates".
Now what? How does that help you find employment?
Mod cut.
He has a valid point. The employers are looking for someone with very specific requirements. In some cases, the requirements are so specific that they are limiting the pool of employees just by their description. Add to that wanting to pay as cheaply as possible for their desired unicorn with a blue back right hoof.
I may not see it in my lifetime, but I long for the days when it is an employee's market again.
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