Why do people think they are worth $15 an hour? (employee, alternative, profit)
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I want you to say this to yourself. "Hey if you are willing to go into 70k or more in debt, you deserve to make more than $15 an hour"
Let that sink in.
Let this sink in, if you are going to take on $70,000 in debt, you had better have a plan on paying it off. It is a business investment, so have a business proposal on specific income, payment schedule, action plan on how you get there
Taking ☓ class is not a "goal" for a job, it is a goal for completing college, FYI college is not a job placement service
I'm curious.
If minimum wage was raised by $5 (which is about 50% what it is now), what about all those who are making $15 an hour now with college degrees in entry level specialized positions? They won't get a $7.50/hour raise. They will be making the same as those in positions that do not require special skills or education. Is this fair?
I'm very open to hearing differing opinions without getting into an argument.
What do you think YOU'RE worth?
I'd like this to be an open discussion with no attacks or party-blaming (dems/reps)
In the current economy at about $9-10 an hour as minimum wage, I'd say I'm probably worth $21 an hour.. With a specialized masters and a license to practice therapy. Second year out of school.
because too many people think they are worth$5000 an hour?
I can see the frustration with wages being stagnant for so long. With Republicans in office don’t hold your breath. They’re putting their money on Trickle down economy. That means no wage hike anytime soon. Republicans would rather support big business and make sure they don’t pay too much in taxes.
My boss had written on his wall this notion as you have stated: "YOU ARE NOT PAID FOR KNOWLEDGE, YOU ARE PAID TO PRODUCE". I disliked that notion very much. Ask anyone who went to college, they had to have the knowledge BEFORE they could APPLY that skill. One without the other is apt to be NON producing.
And yes I see No harm in a human who has skills to be given livable wages. This Minimum wage is a mockery.
Ask anyone who went to college, if they could get an A without "producing" homework / high test scores...
Even college was not about "knowledge" it was about taking tests and doing homework. Whether you retained the information or got more, if it wasn't tested, it meant nothing to the grade
My boss had written on his wall this notion as you have stated: "YOU ARE NOT PAID FOR KNOWLEDGE, YOU ARE PAID TO PRODUCE". I disliked that notion very much. Ask anyone who went to college, they had to have the knowledge BEFORE they could APPLY that skill. One without the other is apt to be NON producing.
And yes I see No harm in a human who has skills to be given livable wages. This Minimum wage is a mockery.
Ha. Clearly your fool of a boss didn't learn about Bloom's Taxonomy. Why do the stupid always rise to the top?
Ask anyone who went to college, if they could get an A without "producing" homework / high test scores...
Even college was not about "knowledge" it was about taking tests and doing homework. Whether you retained the information or got more, if it wasn't tested, it meant nothing to the grade
you are putting the cart before the horse. Sorry if that is a hard concept to fathom but even I myself who didn't attend college "KNEW" enough that without knowledge one cannot APPLY what they learned to a test or a report. Thus producing a result.
Prickly Pear, I think that you’re just expecting too much at such a young age. Yes, prices are high, especially in cities. But traditionally, young people a year out of college don’t usually make enough money to rent their own apartments in pricey cities.
If someone invests in a home, then they can do what they want with it. They’re under no obligation to rent it to you for $1000/month rather than put it up on AirBnB for $200/night. Many people who do that live in those homes some of the time.
To qualify for FHA, your credit score needs to be around 620. That being said, someone very young without a high become probably does not have the resources to maintain a home, unless the mortgage payment is pretty low.
I think that in your particular case, you just need to give it time. You’ll make more money as you move along in your career; no one is going to pay you what they’re paying therapists with ten years’ experience; they have the same certifications you do. But they will pay you more as you gain more experience.
You don't know much about robots, do you? OR the business of making pizzas, stocking shelves, or checking people out as a cashier.
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Originally Posted by MLSFan
In 1973 people were able and willing to enter the work force after. High school at 18
Today, they aren't so why pay them like they were in 1973?
That's an easy answer. Because in 1973, people were able to work a job that helped to support them AND pay for their college costs. What minimum wage job begins to touch the cost of a college education today? And believe me, if you want a decent job, you need a college education. Even if that college education isn't going to be needed for that particular job.
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Originally Posted by CityWok
No, we're telling them if they want more money, they just need to develop skills that are in higher demand. There needs to be some motivation for this. Do their part to support the country's growth and we can provide things like welfare. Otherwise they can keep doing what they're doing, and take what the market is able to give them, because value doesn't come from thin air. And be thankful to even have a job.
The sad reality is that nobody is "entitled" to anything. Some people work harder than others, and some don't do anything. So yes, certain people's skills are worth more than others. We're not the same. That's just how it is.
Socialist ideals don't solve this problem. They lead to complacency and a point where the country cannot sustain itself.
Skilled people move to countries that will offer a meritocracy. This is why so many great people move here. A minimum wage that barely motivates people to do better cannot support this country. We already have enough debt.
I'm sorry, people aren't entitled to live a decent job, be able to afford to put a roof over their head or food on the table? What terrorist country did you come from? And if no one is entitled to anything, then why does everyone think the rich are entitled to so much, even if they did nothing to earn their money?
And please tell me, exactly, how these people who can't even afford to put food on the table working a full time minimum wage job, are supposed to be able to afford to get the skills to move them upward? Haven't you figured it out yet? If you can afford college these days so you can make more money, you're already making so much money you don't need college.
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Originally Posted by BobNJ1960
Then it would be wise to obtain the education required to transition to the knowledge based economy
Maybe YOU can tell me how people are supposed to pay for this magical education.
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Originally Posted by Tonyafd
Perhaps you shouldn't believe the propaganda that the corporations are filling the airwaves with.
Propaganda? Hell, I LIVED during those times. I was making TWO DOLLARS AN HOUR and was still able to afford a one bedroom apartment, pay the bills, buy food, put money in a checking account and totally support myself. Don't you tell me it was propaganda.
As a matter of fact, when you get the ratio of what I paid for that apartment and what I was paid for minimum wage and apply it to today, you'd have to pay more than $20/hr to get the same ratio.
Take a look at those prices on that McDonald's board. That Quarter Pounder with cheese cost 35% of a $2 minimum wage in the 70s. If a $5 Quarter Pounder with cheese today cost 35% of our minimum wage, that wage would have to be $14.28. The current 2017 minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. That Quarter Pounder with cheese cost 69% of the minimum wage today. And we won't even talk about what rent costs.
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What a lot of people here are forgetting is that the extra money given to minimum wage employees doesn't just vanish into the air. It gets spent, on doctors and dentists and grocery stores and businesses all around the community. We're a capitalistic society, so we NEED to spend money to survive as one. The extra taxes also help our communities. Don't believe me? Just go into any small town where the majority of people have depressed wages and take a look at their infrastructure.
The money has to flow, just like we have to breathe. When we quit breathing, we die. When our money flow starts shutting down in the US, the country starts to die. As you've all seen happening.
Like anything else WYW is based on the need for what you know and how well you can apply it to increase the value of your employers business..
As an example.....I was making a shade over $50 an hour wages and pension combined to help move a business to another part of the country to a new plant. The company that hired me needed my heritage knowledge of the product line being moved to keep a smooth transition between the old retiring American work force and the new incoming American work force at the new plant. Job took three years then I finally retired for good.
It's all about what you can do to increase the value of your employers business.
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