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Old 11-28-2017, 03:10 PM
 
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Educated society have less kids if there is no basic income because they know that having said kids will produce hardship even though their biological imparitive (mostly with women) is knawing at them.


Introduce free money (especially if the kids get a basic income as well) and the biological knawing will win.
Coincidentally, this is why my fiance and I are adamant about not having kids. We are both college educated professionals. We know that children will be a money suck with how much raising a child costs anymore. Also, I don't want to bring a child into this awful world where they will likely come out on the short end of things because of how much the game is stacked against people like us. Where I live, you'd also need a pretty healthy salary to properly raise children and set them up for the life they deserve. Unless you're making well over $100k here, it's just not worth the financial hardship you'll experience.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:24 PM
 
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that's how I feel about UBI... you can give it to everyone but it doesn't mean they will improve their education/skill set

everyone's version of UBI has no "conditions" attached to it. Mine would be you report in for a "job"/training/etc (public service) and at the end of the day you can have your UBI money or you can find a job on your own terms
I have no problem with Universal Basic Income for a Universal Basic Job.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:13 PM
 
Location: East TN
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there ARE jobs, the people who seem to want UBI are people who don't want to do those jobs because they look down at them or think they are entitled to a better job

they are either too lazy to do them or think they should be paid more to do it, that has nothing to do with there being no jobs
I'm sorry, but, there are NO jobs.

It will increase, as well, as automation efficiencies continue. Sure, someone will post a job listing and say "All you need is a high school diploma!!" but looking into the job, they want a purple snowflake unicorn rocket surgeon with 15 years experience.

1 or 2 snowflake job postings does not fill 10,000 factory jobs.

Socialism does not work
Capitalism does not work.

We need some blend of the two. Socialize basic needs, food production, education, transportation, health care. Capitalize efficiency of said products, plus luxuries. Simple, utopia created. We just have to illegalize greed and corruption.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:17 PM
 
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I'm sorry, but, there are NO jobs.

It will increase, as well, as automation efficiencies continue. Sure, someone will post a job listing and say "All you need is a high school diploma!!" but looking into the job, they want a purple snowflake unicorn rocket surgeon with 15 years experience.

1 or 2 snowflake job postings does not fill 10,000 factory jobs.

Socialism does not work
Capitalism does not work.

We need some blend of the two. Socialize basic needs, food production, education, transportation, health care. Capitalize efficiency of said products, plus luxuries. Simple, utopia created. We just have to illegalize greed and corruption.
Last count was 6 million job openings in the US. If you can't find a job in this economy, there is something wrong.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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Last count was 6 million job openings in the US. If you can't find a job in this economy, there is something wrong.
And there are 160,000,000 participants in the labor force. That’s 23 jobs for every 600 people. Odds aren’t exactly heavily in your favor.
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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Last count was 6 million job openings in the US. If you can't find a job in this economy, there is something wrong.
Conspiracy theorist?
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:26 PM
 
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The arguments we are having over $15 minimum wage got me to thinking...

We are headed for a catastrophe when automatic cars are perfected to the point where there's no more cabbies, Uber, or truck drivers. Deliveries of pizza, flowers, etc will be made by drones and robots in self-driving cars. We're going to need a universal basic income before the end of my lifetime. There won't be enough jobs for people.

Thoughts?
If everybody was unemployed, there wouldn't be any govt tax income to fund it. Where would it come from? LOL

A century ago, people were complaining about the end of the horse industry with Model Ts being purchased. There is always sweeping changes to transportation or other industries. People move on to other jobs, we are still paying taxes.

Benjamin Franklink said there are only 2 things certain in life: death and taxes.
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:31 PM
 
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And there are 160,000,000 participants in the labor force. That’s 23 jobs for every 600 people. Odds aren’t exactly heavily in your favor.
The employed participants, which I am one, don't need a new job. If one of the employed participants like me quit, it would create an opening at his previous workplace. You are back to square one.
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Old 11-28-2017, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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Last count was 6 million job openings in the US. If you can't find a job in this economy, there is something wrong.
The labor force participation rate has been low since the Great Recession. It was stable between 65.8 and 67.3 for more than a dozen years. Today it’s 62% which is the lowest since 1977. People didn’t suddenly all retire in 2008, or become disabled, or go to prison. So the difference is due to unemployment.

Even allowing for the business cycle, prime age male employment has been declining since the 70s. I don’t blame robots, I blame stagflation followed by the full employment commitment being abandoned.
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Old 11-28-2017, 09:47 PM
 
Location: East TN
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Last count was 6 million job openings in the US. If you can't find a job in this economy, there is something wrong.
There are no jobs, that is what is wrong.

I will bet that most of those jobs are unicorn jobs requiring decades of experience. You can't just walk into a place and get a job. I can't even get a fast food job, or lawn maintenance (in season) or factory work. All of them require minimum work experience. I have been denied work from numerous places due to lack of experience. All because I can't provide "proof" that I can run a @#$*@#%* lawn mower. Let me show you that I can run it!! "Well sorry but there are 34 people in line behind you waiting to be interviewed."

I have no problem with getting an education or other skills. I can not afford it.
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