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It is very confusing to me also, & was this girl in question a regular member of the group, or the visitor, she mentions in OP. It makes no sense.
It sounds like this woman was an interloper who wasn’t a normal member of the group and just came for free. If that is the case, she should be presumed to be a competent adult and allowed to do what she wants, because she wasn’t sent there by any organization.
It also seems like if the OP was arrested, it was more than just grabbing the woman in question. It seems like the woman was held against her will until the mother came to pick her up. However, if the young woman was just there voluntarily as a guest, why would her mother need to pick her up? It makes absolutely no sense to me.
It is very confusing to me also, & was this girl in question a regular member of the group, or the visitor, she mentions in OP. It makes no sense.
Yeah, why did she mention a visitor came and he had no co-pay, what does it have to do with anything? The girl will not collect SSI, and she doesn't have a job, what does that mean? Maybe she doesn't qualify.
Yeah, why did she mention a visitor came and he had no co-pay, what does it have to do with anything? The girl will not collect SSI, and she doesn't have a job, what does that mean? Maybe she doesn't qualify.
She said the woman hasn’t applied for SSI and doesn’t want to, which makes me think that she’s unlikely to be incapacitated since if she were, someone would have likely applied for SSI on her behalf already. That makes this whole story even make less sense. If she’s competent and can decide she doesn’t want SSI, then she is competent to decide she wants to make a less-then-stellar life decision to go over to a 50-year-old man’s house.
The rules regarding physical restraint have gotten very, very strict in recent years. I don't know about social workers but special education teachers (at least in my state) can get into trouble for "restraining" (blocking the path or grabbing the hand) of a child trying to exit the school, run into the street, etc. It can be very tricky, as you are required to keep the children safe but usually need to do it only with your voice.
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People need to vote with their feet. I would never become a part of a profession with such a ludicrous stupid standard. How are they supposed to do their job?
It is state law in my state, and in many other states. And, yes, many teachers are not happy with how strictly it is enforced. I know teachers who have been fired or disciplined for what would usually be considered a "common sense" move (one example, standing in front of a door preventing an upset, emotionally disturbed six year old child from exiting the school building).
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If an overgrown 12 year old who is 6'0 200lbs tries to run out into oncoming traffic nobody can touch him? How can a private school be insured with these types of policies that allow children to put themselves in danger unimpeded?
Technically, you are never allowed to restrain a special needs child (or regular education student, either) even in the case where they are going to run into the street (unless it is written in their IEP for a very specific situation). You can yell "Stop" or try to stop them with your voice but never touch them. I am a retired special education teacher and almost all of the people that I have worked with (teachers, aides, therapists) say that if it appears that the child may be in immediate physical danger (running into a street, about to fall down the stairs, etc.) we would grab the child to protect them even if it meant losing our jobs.
While the OPs situation is unclear, she may have felt that it was an "immediate physical danger" situation if the 22 year old needed to be left under her mother's supervision and her mother was not there to receive her.
She said the woman hasn’t applied for SSI and doesn’t want to, which makes me think that she’s unlikely to be incapacitated since if she were, someone would have likely applied for SSI on her behalf already. That makes this whole story even make less sense. If she’s competent and can decide she doesn’t want SSI, then she is competent to decide she wants to make a less-then-stellar life decision to go over to a 50-year-old man’s house.
Exactly! If she was handicapped physically or mentally she would be already collecting SSDI at 22. Who tells somebody when they're 22 years old to go and collect some social security now? Dies she get medical assistance?
She said the woman hasn’t applied for SSI and doesn’t want to, which makes me think that she’s unlikely to be incapacitated since if she were, someone would have likely applied for SSI on her behalf already. That makes this whole story even make less sense. If she’s competent and can decide she doesn’t want SSI, then she is competent to decide she wants to make a less-then-stellar life decision to go over to a 50-year-old man’s house.
Why does everyone assume that this 50 year old dude is trailer trash or something? Maybe he's George Clooney-esque with a ton of money.
We don't know enough about the situation to make such a judgment and neither did OP.
Why does everyone assume that this 50 year old dude is trailer trash or something? Maybe he's George Clooney-esque with a ton of money.
We don't know enough about the situation to make such a judgment and neither did OP.
The man was part of the group, which I am positive is for adults with mental illness. It sounds similar to what my friend who was lifelong disabled due to mental illness called "Program", as in "I have to go to Program at 6". They are certainly not normally functioning adults or they wouldn't be driven to a group therapy session with fourteen people on a transport vehicle called an "ambulette", and OP wouldn't have to escort them home nor be held responsible for getting them home safely.
She was supposed to turn this girl over to her mother, it was a tough situation and honestly I'm not sure how I'd have handled this unexpected turn of events that came about with no warning.
I am a social worker and I run a group therapy program for adults which has approximately 14 individuals. This is in a private practice run by one woman. After the group we are driven by the ambulette which takes them (and me) wherever we want. Months ago a client invited a friend of the group. She didn't have medicaid or a deductable on her insurance, so she came there for free. Last week on Saturday in the van a client told me she wanted to come over to another client's home. She's 22 and the youngest in our group and he's in his 50s. I said no. She's not going to him. She started arguing with me. I tell the driver to take her home and she insists she's not going home she's going to his house. After arguing back and forth I told her she can either willingly go home or we will escort her home. I ask her to give me her mother's number and she doesn't. Other clients did. The van approaches her condo. The girl gets out and runs off and I grab and hold her until her mother comes. I wanted her to go home. She starts scratching and hitting me. She said she will call the police and I told her the police will tell her to stop wasting her time. Her mother came and let her go. The thing is, if anything happens to her I will be held responsible, so if I release her to her mother I won't be held responsible. It is also not a wise decision for a 22 year old girl to go to a 50 year old guy's home alone. Next day she goes to the police and I'm arrested. My husband bailed me out. I am currently not allowed to practice while I'm under investigation. I told my boss what happened and she supports me. If anything happened to my client people will question why I allowed her to go into the home. I might also be fired and sued. If this makes the news people will question why I didn't do anything to stop it. I explained to the police and the board if anything will happen I will be held liable. I am just doing what I need to do as a social worker. I have a family to support. This girl doesn't want to apply for SSI despite never having a job. I told her to apply, made an appointment with the social security office where she ended up refusing to give information and storming off. My license could either be suspended or permanently revoked.
Are these clients disabled? I'm trying to figure out why you thought you had the right to physically restrain another adult? That's physical assault or unlawful restraint. I'm super confused and wondering if there is more to the story...
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