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Old 02-19-2009, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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What's so worrisome about the job market today during this Depression is not being replaced with cheaper labor, but being replaced by someone related to your Boss, say a friend or relative who just lost their job.

Let's say you're the Boss. Your nephew, or niece or some other relative is down on their luck, has lost their jobs, can't come up with anything, and they call on you for help: Do you have any position available in your business? I'll do ANYTHING! I'm ready to lose my house! I have a family to feed! What are YOU going to do? Look around for an employee who didn't cross a t or dot an i or forget to insert a hyphen some time ago. What an easy job! You can ALWAYS find SOME reason to get rid of any employee!

But this concerns me the most today as jobs become more and more scarce. Isn't the word for this nepotism?
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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What's so worrisome about the job market today during this Depression is not being replaced with cheaper labor, but being replaced by someone related to your Boss, say a friend or relative who just lost their job.

Let's say you're the Boss. Your nephew, or niece or some other relative is down on their luck, has lost their jobs, can't come up with anything, and they call on you for help: Do you have any position available in your business? I'll do ANYTHING! I'm ready to lose my house! I have a family to feed! What are YOU going to do? Look around for an employee who didn't cross a t or dot an i or forget to insert a hyphen some time ago. What an easy job! You can ALWAYS find SOME reason to get rid of any employee!

But this concerns me the most today as jobs become more and more scarce. Isn't the word for this nepotism?
Probably. Unless your job is protected by Civil Service, a union or a contract, you are always at risk no matter how good you are or how long you have been there.
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:20 AM
 
Location: The DMV
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I think the issue here is the word "right". When is having a job a "RIGHT"?

And what exactly are corporations/employers doing to abuse people? Are they whipping people for taking too long a break? Are consumers mistreating or being unfair to the local grocery store because they've started shopping at the big box store to get more for the money?

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Heaven forbid that a mother take care of her children on a day they're out of school. The idea! The outrage! We all know the company/business is more important than anything else in the world. Motherhood and the decent overseeing of children is an incidental activity that impedes the progress of business and certainly deserves to be punished.
uh... when did it become the employers obligation to ensure their employees have quality time with their kids? Yea - I'd agree that it would be in the best interest of the company to have a desirable work environment to retain talent. But last I checked, your employer isn't obligated to support you. They simply pay you for services rendered.
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Part of this problem on the part of many employees has come as a result of the economic boom that this country has experienced since the last really bad recession in 1981-82. Think about it- a person that turned 20 then has worked for 25 years in a booming economy when labour was in short supply and many employers tended to be more "liberal" with employees. The Gen X labour pool has got used to being kind of "babied" at work and adjusting to hard times will not be easy for them. Those of us from the baby boom have always had to struggle because we went through the bad economy in the 70s and early 80s.
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Kiss ass until you get the pension. Amazing how little pride is worth.
A pension?? What's that?? It will soon be a word of the past.
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:29 AM
 
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This is the clearest proof we are a republic, not a democracy. If we were really a democracy, the rules would favor the many, many worker bees... but they don't, LOL!

It's also the dirty little secret of capitalism. It's based on cheap labor. Somehow it appears that about 4% unemployment is ideal for keeping the right amount of elasticity in the labor market, at least historically.
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Old 02-19-2009, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Heading Northwest In Nevada
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True!

And, as far as the "pinching pennies" statement below, well.......
People are still buying HD Widescreen TV's, Digital Camera's and Video Camera's and going on Cruises! The Blu-Ray DVD Players and the Wii Game are still hot sellers! The cable alone, that connects the HD TV to a Blu-Ray Player costs almost $100! Go to Las Vegas, Tahoe, Atlantic City on the weekends and find that ALL the major (expensive) hotel rooms are booked/full and the casinos all weekend are full of people spending lots and lots of money gambling! People aren't trading in their Jaguar's, Mercedes, Lexus, BMW's for cheaper monthly payments!
Shall I go on??????? We may be in a bad economy, but that sure isn't stopping a lot of people from spending money (as above)!!

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Yes, there are a few people who are going to get laid off and replaced by cheaper labor, but this is nothing new. Even when the economy was good and strong companies went under, corporations were bought out, employees were laid off, etc. If you are employed today, you have just as much job security as you did five years ago. Even fifteen.

Pinching pennies...people should have been doing this all along instead of racking up the credit card debt buying stuff that they want, instead of need. I have a strong feeling that if we were not such a consumer I-want-this-now society that many people would not be as freaked out right now. There has been a lot of talk about this on radio, the tv, news, etc., but don't you worry one bit, I guaranty you that the first thing that is going to happen once the economy turns around is that everyone is going to buy, buy, buy. Very few are going to learn anything from this current economic situation that we find ourselves in.
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Old 02-19-2009, 07:45 AM
 
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I think the issue here is the word "right". When is having a job a "RIGHT"?

uh... when did it become the employers obligation to ensure their employees have quality time with their kids? Yea - I'd agree that it would be in the best interest of the company to have a desirable work environment to retain talent. But last I checked, your employer isn't obligated to support you. They simply pay you for services rendered.
Harsh, but it is true. They are trying to run a busines sin this hard economy too. And their employee's personal issues aren't really their problem. They have plenty of other people they can replace us with that don't have those issues. Not to be a slap in the face, but it is true. I'm a stay-at-home parent too and totally understand that point of view. I wouldn't want to hire someone with issues that may have to leave without much warning, either.

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What are the Fair Labor Act, Privacy Act, Better Business Bureau, and Discrimination laws about then?

Thats alot of laws for people that have no rights. Guess I'm confused
I re-iterate, what are those if not protections of employees, consumers, and business rights?

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Heaven forbid that a mother take care of her children on a day they're out of school. The idea! The outrage! We all know the company/business is more important than anything else in the world. Motherhood and the decent overseeing of children is an incidental activity that impedes the progress of business and certainly deserves to be punished.

A mother who dares look out for the well being of her children to be sure they grow up to be productive, well behaved, educated citizens and flaunts the unreasonable demands of an unforgiving company, should be punished without mercy. Off with her head!
What happened to the Dad? Heaven forbid we include Stay-At-Home Dads in that That's why I use the term Stay-at-home PARENTS personally.

Your right, parenting is the hardest job ever, however it isn't the problem of a business owner. They are trying to eek out a living as well and I can understand their viewpoint as well as ours as parents.

They don't need to cater to us, when they can hire some kid without the issues and a more reliable schedule.
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Old 02-19-2009, 08:15 AM
 
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She should have reported to work. But at the same time maybe her boss could have offered her the day off after the sick employee returned to work.

How do we know if this was the first time she had done something like this?

My boss even cancelled my vacation before at the last moment.
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Maryland's 6th District.
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How do we know if this was the first time she had done something like this?
We don't, but everyone just loves to make assumptions and jump to conclusions while only knowing a fraction of the story. The woman who called in could have made the whole thing up. People do do that, you know.
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