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Well, the article seems to be arguing the nuclear family (or at least a cultural predisposition to more liberal, looser families) goes back very far.
"The researchers speculate that the origin of the areas might be medieval, or even older."
"Speculate" is the key word. There was a shift post WWII. There is little point in making up medieval speculations when pre-WWII generations are still alive to tell the tale. That's very bad science.
This is a very interesting thread. It's great to hear about the cultural aspects of different countries.
One common recurring theme is that people in many countries seem to stay with their parents until they get married. One question I have is what happens to the people who never marry? Do they move out eventually or stay with their parents and take care of them? I'd be interested in hearing any anecdotes people have.
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This is a very interesting thread. It's great to hear about the cultural aspects of different countries.
One common recurring theme is that people in many countries seem to stay with their parents until they get married. One question I have is what happens to the people who never marry? Do they move out eventually or stay with their parents and take care of them? I'd be interested in hearing any anecdotes people have.
Me too, I imagine the free-spirited ones might, or if they have good reason to like moving somewhere far, but if they stayed in the same city, and lived somewhere not too inconvenient I guess they probably just stayed home.
In the movie 'Marty' Marty, the main character, is 34 and still lives with his mother in NYC. It probably was pretty normal for an Italian American bachelor to stay with his single mother in NYC in the 1950s. Which gets me thinking, it's probably pretty common in NYC, especially Manhattan, to just live with your parents since you're in the thick of it and housing is so expensive. I mean if I lived there I'd probably never move out.
You're right: I am italian and can assure you that italians live with their parents even when they are 40 years old
But the main reason is the cost of living, not the family-orientated culture (which it is in fact a myth):
This is one thing I never got used to while living in Italy. I would meet women who were in their 30's and still lived with their parents. That in itself is not such a big deal but some had to ask permission to be out until a certain hour or shared a bedroom with their sibling(s). It was pretty surreal. But I do envy how close their families are, especially around the holidays and other big events.
"Strings attached" and "family closeness" DO go hand in hand.
I think that the ideal is to have adult children (mostly financially independent) living relatively close to aging parents (also mostly financially independent). The reciprocal networks of support that can be formed this way are priceless and no amount of financial independence, taken on its own, can replace them.
Living within the same household can get a little stifling. "Close by" is ideal.
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I just want to get an idea of how the widespread this fairly modern trend of 'leaving the nest', either for college, work, or just to 'find your sense' or see how you manage on your own two feet is in the world.
I heard most 30 year old Italians still live with their parents, for a variety of reasons. First because Italians don't move around as much, rents can be expensive, and it's practical and of course the culture: Italy is far more family-orientated than say Northern Europe.
I know in the Anglo countries it's more expected that you're not living with mummy and daddy past the age of about 25 unless you have a good reason to. Those over this age are sometimes considered 'losers.' I notice more and more people here doing that, due to the price of housing/rents, and it's no longer see as a 'rite of passage' to leave at age 18, 21.
Any idea what it's like in other countries? Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America? Is it most common to live with one's family until marriage or unless one has to re-locate? I think this is also the case in SE Asian nations.
I lived with my parents util the age of 27 and my wife just left her father's home last year when we married and she was 30 years old. This is quite common, but mainly when people do long lasting studies.
hmmm, i think the normal thing here is to left your home in your twenties. If i think of my friends of my same age, all of them left home before the age of 25. But i know there are people in their 30s living at home, too. But the expected/standard thing is to move out before 25 i would say.
I moved out from my parents home at 19. Not only moved from home, but i moved city as well.
Latin countries in Europe ( Italy, Portugal, Spain ), don't know about France and Romania though.
I am guessing that since Latin America got the Latin culture so it is probably the same since in the Philippines it is.
I just want to get an idea of how the widespread this fairly modern trend of 'leaving the nest', either for college, work, or just to 'find your sense' or see how you manage on your own two feet is in the world.
I heard most 30 year old Italians still live with their parents, for a variety of reasons. First because Italians don't move around as much, rents can be expensive, and it's practical and of course the culture: Italy is far more family-orientated than say Northern Europe.
I know in the Anglo countries it's more expected that you're not living with mummy and daddy past the age of about 25 unless you have a good reason to. Those over this age are sometimes considered 'losers.' I notice more and more people here doing that, due to the price of housing/rents, and it's no longer see as a 'rite of passage' to leave at age 18, 21.
Any idea what it's like in other countries? Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America? Is it most common to live with one's family until marriage or unless one has to re-locate? I think this is also the case in SE Asian nations.
NO!!!! Here where I live i'm not even 18 yet and we are talking about Universities. Alot of people in my school leave and go straight to university at 18. I think thats far too early and I am not going to be doing that, I really don't have a single clue what I want to do at all. I think around 22 is the right age to leave. My school is too pushy they need to calm down. They go on as if these exams shape our lives, which they kind of do but we can repeat and it isn't the end of the world if we don't goto University at 18.
I'm American and I don't think anyone is a loser if they chose to stay at home with
Their parents. But yes, that is the general idea here.
My mom is from another country,so I was raised that a girl doesn't go on her own until she's married.
But I defied that, and moved out at 18. I've lived in different states on my own.
I had fun with friends and freedom but I was never the type to sleep around or get into any
"Trouble". I think that is the fear when it comes to young ladies.
It is the same here. My school is making me feel like I am a loser if I don't go straight to a university at 18. They keep saying 'not long until this' and i'm thinking but we are only 17 we have plenty of time to fix up if something goes wrong. I'm trying to do everything slowly and people ask me so 'what university are you going to' and i'm like 'none i'm not ready yet' and they look at me as if I have two heads. No 18 is too young imo to be jetting off to England and living on your own with no family or anything if something goes wrong. I used to worry and in the past few weeks i've thought to myself that worrying is going to do absolutely nothing and in all honesty I will probably be fine, i'm smart enough and should get by, all these people are rushing everything. I've never had a GF in my life and people laugh at me for that, never drunk alcohol, never took drugs or smoked. (no interest in any of those three things). People need to slow down.
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. But the expected/standard thing is to move out before 25 i would say.
