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Yeah, I thought the same thing like "san Fran?" Cascadia? I've been to Seattle before and didnt think the Cascade region extended as far south as San Fran, which IMO is borderline central Cal.
I guess in a geopolitical sense it could be the southernmost part of that region along with Oakland and Berkeley as they have more in common with Seattle than they do with Los Angeles. Overall though, that's sort of it's own region with a sphere of influence between Sacramento, Fresno and Reno.
Cascadia includes large swaths of "the rest of" Washington, Oregon, and California, which aren't hardly at all the sort of progressive wonderland that people associate with the region due to Seattle, Portland, SF, etc. For example, Washington State has some of the most lax gun laws in the US. I bought a Romanian AK74 with a 75-round drum for $195 at a gun shop in 2008 on a whim. I would see pro-bible/anti-evolution billboards along the freeways in Southern Oregon and Eastern WA when I drove through. Many communities revolve around one or two church congregations and whatever industry keeps the town alive instead of their (nonexistent) institutions of higher learning and sense of culture and togetherness.
These areas are more right-wing libertarian than they are left-wing liberal, and many of them are already less-than-happy with the fact that the urban centers tend to drive the policy for the rest of the state; they would likely be incensed at the idea of being included in a super-liberal megastate/nation and wouldn't cooperate with any moves to institute socialized medicine, free higher education, sanctuary/amnesty for undocumented immigrants, etc.
Washington is a place with gun loving liberals. Seattle has a more lax attitude about guns being brought into businesses than many places in Texas do.
While it's true there large areas that are not liberal in this region, that large area has relatively few people so the region is liberal overall.
I think we basically agree with some difference of emphasis.
It still stands that a place that is 95% white and church-going Christian, where most people serve in the U.S. military and U.S. flags are displayed outside most of the houses, would be not be considered progressive in America. And it certainly would not be described as progressive by people who identify themselves as progressive.
I think we basically agree with some difference of emphasis.
It still stands that a place that is 95% white and church-going Christian, where most people serve in the U.S. military and U.S. flags are displayed outside most of the houses, would be not be considered progressive in America. And it certainly would not be described as progressive by people who identify themselves as progressive.
Denmark loves their flag-waving and 70% of the men serve their conscription in the Finnish military. Again, one have to think what is progressive and what is not.
I think we basically agree with some difference of emphasis.
It still stands that a place that is 95% white and church-going Christian, where most people serve in the U.S. military and U.S. flags are displayed outside most of the houses, would be not be considered progressive in America. And it certainly would not be described as progressive by people who identify themselves as progressive.
Good points. The decision maker here would be the rural areas. Which area has the more conservative rural areas? I think we can agree that Cascadia wins this which, when taken as a whole would make Northern Europe a more progressive place overall. As far as cities go, again, I think northern Europe takes the lead just because of the societies they belong to. San Francisco, again if we consider this southernmost Cascadia, is the only city that can really compete with those in Europe as it provides free health care to it's residents as well as free community college.
Just speaking about the US portion, Europe is considerably more liberal and progressive.
The US Pacific NW is a liberal area but is often as being more liberal than it is due to being compared to the rest of the US. The US is still a conservative and very religious country so relatively speaking the NW is a liberal bastion but when compared to other countries like in Northern Europe, it's not.
This is tough, but I'd vote for "Northern Europe"...close though. Some things that I'd see as drawbacks for "Cascadia" would be the poverty rates, and the crime/violence rates. I mean, can you imagine a neighbourhood like the Tenderloin existing in Oslo? Oh well, part of SF's charm for some folks, I suppose.
See the problem here is that you assume that progressive = prosperity/ little to no poverty which isn't true
Good points. The decision maker here would be the rural areas. Which area has the more conservative rural areas? I think we can agree that Cascadia wins this which, when taken as a whole would make Northern Europe a more progressive place overall. As far as cities go, again, I think northern Europe takes the lead just because of the societies they belong to. San Francisco, again if we consider this southernmost Cascadia, is the only city that can really compete with those in Europe as it provides free health care to it's residents as well as free community college.
Well, on the US side that is, Cascadia is a term that is considered to include British Columbia, so obviously all of British Columbia has universal healthcare and heavily subsidized university tuition rates.
The US, on the other hand, has the food stamps program, which has no equivalent in Canada or Europe.
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