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Old 06-29-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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What you're saying is at odds with what I've said though. London is definitely on the short list and there are good arguments that would detract from NYC, Beijing, or Tokyo. There's a large variety of arguments for and against for London, New York, Beijing, Tokyo, and DC and maybe an odd argument for Paris (based mostly on the idea of detracting from the other such as the more prominent anglophone cities has power divided, that Beijing is one of several megacities within China, and Tokyo being a bit insular as there are no Japanese-speaking/culture countries aside from Japan).

The real point is that there's an arguable short list, but there's nowhere that's so heads and shoulders above the rest.
To an extent yeah but you have to look under the surface, there have been several cases of Japanese ancestry officials all over South America and the Pacific Rim region of the world holding positions of power or office in other nations.

That has to count for something at the very least. If not, all one must do is point to an economy that is in excess of over $5,000,000,000,000 and only matched and exceeded by two other nations. Hammer, nail, done.
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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The Forbes list is not accurate in the slightest
I'll tell you what it's not. It is not a London-centric rag that inflates London's numbers to continue the embarrassing, never ending PR campaign that seeks to prop up London to a higher status than it really is.

That's what the Forbes list isn't.
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:16 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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i'll tell you what it's not. It is not a london-centric rag that inflates london's numbers to continue the embarrassing, never ending pr campaign that seeks to prop up london to a higher status than it really is.

That's what the forbes list isn't.
zing!
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Old 06-29-2014, 09:04 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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To an extent yeah but you have to look under the surface, there have been several cases of Japanese ancestry officials all over South America and the Pacific Rim region of the world holding positions of power or office in other nations.

That has to count for something at the very least. If not, all one must do is point to an economy that is in excess of over $5,000,000,000,000 and only matched and exceeded by two other nations. Hammer, nail, done.
I don't think that really counts for much at all. The people of Japanese ancestry in Latin America aren't very numerous save for that of Brazil and Peru and there isn't a huge effort to maintain ties to the old country or to carry down Japanese culture or traditions. For one reason or another, Japanese immigrants to the new world seem to assimilate incredibly quickly.

And yes, the huge GDP does matter a lot. That's why there can be a strong argument for Tokyo overall. I think there can be somewhat reasonable arguments for the half dozen cities I've listed.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:06 AM
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Location: London | Atlanta
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I'll tell you what it's not. It is not a London-centric rag that inflates London's numbers to continue the embarrassing, never ending PR campaign that seeks to prop up London to a higher status than it really is.

That's what the Forbes list isn't.
Yet again, prominent reports that compare cities are published by a wide range of multinationals in their respective field of expertise. The reports often cited are from esteemed organizations (KPMG, EY, Deloitte, PwC, Jones Lang LaSalle, Knight Frank, CBRE, EIU, Mercer etc) not rags, and involve a great amount of detailed research. Their only interest is in compiling more accurate reports than their competitors.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Yet again, prominent reports that compare cities are published by a wide range of multinationals in their respective field of expertise.
Nope. Aside from Mercer, nearly all of these 'best cities' rankings circle finance or related commercial real estate fields--this industry is OBSESSED with ranking cities(especially London) best for their field and therefore declaring their findings THE official ranking for the world in general---and notice how government statistics almost NEVER coroborate London's high rankings. It's largely a farce. London is actually quite mediocre statistically speaking.

And London does NOT rank high in the Mercer QOL ranking, btw.

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And yes, the huge GDP does matter a lot. That's why there can be a strong argument for Tokyo overall. I think there can be somewhat reasonable arguments for the half dozen cities I've listed.
Yes, a case for most cities can be made to substantiate it qualifying as 'powerful'.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Blighty
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Again GVA is not GDP and your link merely points out the differences I am referring too.
How many times has this been explained to montclair?

It's not as if what she's doing is particularly subtle:

Present a (usually absurd) case that X is better than Y.
When that argument is refuted, distract for a few posts.
After the discussion moves several pages on, simply repeat the argument hoping noone remembers that it was challenged earlier in the discussion.

Again and again, throughout the same thread, cross posting the same dumb, poorly compiled charts and giving the same refuted arguments over and over.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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How many times has this been explained to montclair?
Until you can produce a stat from ons.gov.uk showing London's regional 'GDP'

Please, google away.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Blighty
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Until you can produce a stat from ons.gov.uk showing London's regional 'GDP'

Please, google away.
It was also explained to you why only GVA is calculated regionally - To do with HMRC compliance.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:45 AM
 
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Nope. Aside from Mercer, nearly all of these 'best cities' rankings circle finance or related commercial real estate fields--this industry is OBSESSED with ranking cities(especially London) best for their field and therefore declaring their findings THE official ranking for the world in general---and notice how government statistics almost NEVER coroborate London's high rankings.
Government statistics are (one among several sources of) primary data.
Studies by PwC, Deloitte, KPMG et al. are meta-analyses based upon primary data.

Try not to conflate the two.
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