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Check your facts, the "free states" are starting the most conflicts around the globe, particularly the U.S. with its Anglo brothers. For some reason they insist on imposing their views (Western values) on humanity as well as expanding their corporate interest. Just because they consider themselves policeman or world saviors doesn't justify the acts. What happened to "live and let live." I guess that only applies if you live the way we tell you.
The so called free states are not starting conflicts and it's you that should check your facts, as apart from Iraq, the rest were UN sanctioned operations.
Intervention in Kosovo was in response to mass genocide and was in respect of UN Security Council Resolution 1244, and the UN mission was later replaced by local forces.
Iraq was not a NATO operation, but was based on intelligence that Iraq had WMD's, however these weapons were never found. A number of countries in Europe did not support this operation. However Iraq had previously used banned chemical weapons (deadly nearly pure Mustard Gas and Nerve Agents) a number of times on the civilian Kurdish population in the 1990's and had previously used such weapons during the Iraq-Iran War and Al-Anfal Campaign, and had broken the Geneva Convention numerous times.
Iraq was also involved in Project Babylon which was a space gun project commissioned by then Iraqi president Saddam Hussein. It involved building a series of "superguns". The design was based on research from the 1960s Project HARP led by the Canadian artillery expert Gerald Bull. There were most likely four different devices in the program. The project began in 1988; it was halted in 1990 after Bull was allegedly assassinated by Israeli Mossad agents, and parts of the superguns were seized in transit around Europe.
Iran has both used WMD's against civilians on a number of occasions killing tens of thousands of people, and had previously been behind the development of further WMD's, and the totalitarian authoritarian regime had an appalling human rights record. So I am not going to defend Hussein's Iraq, which was already under close UN and international scrutiny.
In terms of Afghanistan The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) was a multinational military mission in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2014. It was established by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1386 pursuant to the Bonn Agreement.
As for the later regional conflicts including Syria, it was Russia who carried out much of the bombing and may even have supplied the chemical weapons, whilsy the US and NATO had a much more minimal role.
NATO and the EU do carry out numerous much needed UN peacekeeping missions, although there is still an argument that the West and UN did not do enough in some regions in relation to peacekeeping operations, with the most notable being the genocide in Rwanda.
Russia has also been involved in action in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea and now Ukraine, and the country has a bleak history of poisoning and murdering any opponents and a terrible human rights record. Russia is currently making nuclear threats, using cluster bombs, thermobaric weapons and according to some reports may yet resort to non conventional weapons such as tactical (small battlefield) nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons or the use of radiological substances.
Similarly China has a disgusting human rights record, has broken promises in relation to Hong Kong where it is applying authoritarian rule, has set up so called re-education camps in relation to the Uyghur population and is even been accused of genocide. China was the source of the Covid-19 virus and has made continued threats against the west, whilst like Russia is known for it's hacking, interference and disregard for trademark laws.
China is in dispute with Japan over a number of islands, and claims Taiwan as part of China, which often involves massive military deployments to the area, with numerous military aircraft flying over the country.
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But historically, American culture is, and that was called non-trash, to which I responded. What is the heredity culture of "non-trash", as distinct from Russians and Chinese? Define "trash" in this context.
Singapore does mot have land. and does not accept representative democracy. Trash, or non-trash?.
This has nothing to do with American culture. Democracy is not an American monopoly.
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Their authoritarian governments are trash, their people are pretty awesome in my experience having traveled to both countless times over the years.
Iraq was not a NATO operation, but was based on intelligence that Iraq had WMD's, however these weapons were never found. A number of countries in Europe did not support this operation.
The Iraq War was just an awful thing that the United States did. I think this country lost a lot of credibility as a result of that war.
Sometimes, even countries that have overall good intentions go down a rabbit hole they can't get out of.
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The Iraq War was just an awful thing that the United States did. I think this country lost a lot of credibility as a result of that war.
Sometimes, even countries that have overall good intentions go down a rabbit hole they can't get out of.
It certainly wasn't based on any credible evidence or intelligence, and was not subject to UN backing.
Saddam Hussein was an evil individual who had previously used chemical weapons on civilians and who had tried to build a massive super gun system to target Israel.
However Hussein was sadly replaced by Islamic fundamentalist forces and this caused destabilised the region and help cause conflict in other countries such as Syria.
I think it's important to receive United Nations approval before engaging in any actions in other countries,and the Iraq war demonstrated the need for proper UN investigation and approval.
It certainly wasn't based on any credible evidence or intelligence, and was not subject to UN backing.
Saddam Hussein was an evil individual who had previously used chemical weapons on civilians and who had tried to build a massive super gun system to target Israel.
However Hussein was sadly replaced by Islamic fundamentalist forces and this caused destabilised the region and help cause conflict in other countries such as Syria.
I think it's important to receive United Nations approval before engaging in any actions in other countries,and the Iraq war demonstrated the need for proper UN investigation and approval.
Ironically, it would have been much better to leave Saddam Hussein in power.
He kept all the different factions in line.
He was born in 1937 (5 years older than Biden),
...so by today, chances are Iraq would have a new leader...Saddam 2.0
You're right...also Iran back in the 1970s under The Shah...not saying he was a
good guy...but Iran was much more western back then, even Afghanistan, if you
go back to the 1960s ...years before the wave Islamic fundamentalism.
Australia, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, New Zealand would all generally be considered "West".
I think the US is really trying to get India on its side while China is working to get Pakistan on its side.
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