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Old 06-21-2012, 08:25 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Two that stand out:

Italians
Chinese

Even if they've lived in a place for generations, these two groups often predominantly identify themselves as 'Italian' or 'Chinese' instead of xxxx country. Maybe that's changing, and plenty don't, but I'm talking where their so-called 'ethnic identity' trascends their identity as a citizen of a certain country. Perhaps this is less so in the US than other countries, which is more inclusive in that sense, but many Italians in Australia sometimes distinguish themselves from 'Australians.'

As for Chinese, there are many so-called 'overseas Chinese' in SE Asia who, by a combination of self-segregation and being segregated by colonial powers, who tend to continue to speak Chinese languages, mainly mix among themselves etc...of course many are more integrated - one could question whether those in Thailand are even 'Chinese' in any meaningful sense, but I've heard that no matter how removed descendants of the Yellow Emperor (according to myth, of course) will always see those who are Chinese by descent as first and foremost Chinese.

I would say the British are an example of the opposite. Those Americans with British ancestry often barely acknowledge it, and you can be born in the UK, come here at a young age and be fully considered an 'Australian'.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:33 PM
 
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Australians who moved to the US. They hate their isolated country so much that they deny the existence of it.
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Cubans in the USA?
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I'd imagine many Canadians, Australians, Brits, after moving to the United States!
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:28 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Do you blame the Chinese? They tend to be marginalized or treated like foreigners wherever they are, even if they've been someplace for generations.

Americans cling to their nationality.
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:47 PM
 
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Depends on culture and education level.
An immigrant with no culture and ashamed of his country will be brainwashed in no time by the host country.
It is just what happened to European immigrants into the US generations ago, they lost their culture, language and identity because they thought they came from a sh.i-tty country into a great one.
Now Western Europeans with some education who arrive into the US tend to think otherwise, none of them will let their children loose their language unless they are complete turds or country bumpkins.
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:57 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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... stand out:

Italians
Well, if the criteria is simply referring to themselves as "Italian" even after three generations, maybe.

Otherwise, in almost every other respect, except food and a few curse-words, "Italians" from the first generation are among the first to assimilate into a new culture, the "mother" country not giving one hoot for their fate, except maybe very recently.

But if the criteria is lasting educational institutions, then the answer, among the "nationalities" that I know, is the Jews and the Greeks, hands down, with centuries-old traditions and education centers in thousands of counties and smaller local communities throughout the US and Canada, at least, probably also many parts of the UK and Australia, France, Germany, etc.

In contrast, in the US, for example, there is only one Italian school that I know of with institutional support from the mother country, located in Italy's most wealthy ex-patriate consular and business community in the US.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:12 AM
 
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Americans I would say.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:57 AM
 
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Two that stand out:

Italians
Chinese

Even if they've lived in a place for generations, these two groups often predominantly identify themselves as 'Italian' or 'Chinese' instead of xxxx country. Maybe that's changing, and plenty don't, but I'm talking where their so-called 'ethnic identity' trascends their identity as a citizen of a certain country. Perhaps this is less so in the US than other countries, which is more inclusive in that sense, but many Italians in Australia sometimes distinguish themselves from 'Australians.'

As for Chinese, there are many so-called 'overseas Chinese' in SE Asia who, by a combination of self-segregation and being segregated by colonial powers, who tend to continue to speak Chinese languages, mainly mix among themselves etc...of course many are more integrated - one could question whether those in Thailand are even 'Chinese' in any meaningful sense, but I've heard that no matter how removed descendants of the Yellow Emperor (according to myth, of course) will always see those who are Chinese by descent as first and foremost Chinese.

I would say the British are an example of the opposite. Those Americans with British ancestry often barely acknowledge it, and you can be born in the UK, come here at a young age and be fully considered an 'Australian'.

depends which country your talking about

if its the uk , then south asians hold on to the customs of their home country the most , the usa is more geared towards assimilation rather than multiculturalism , that said , italians , irish and chineese seem to hang on to their roots to the old country

your right about the english , in fact you never even hear the term english american used , despite english americans far outweighing every other immigrant group , i suppose its down to the fact that they were the founding fathers , happens in other countries too , in argentina for example , italians are often listed as the number one immigrant group when they are of course second behind spain , being the founding fathers , the spanish are not counted
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Old 06-22-2012, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Macao
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I'd say it's the ones who aren't assimiliting as fast for whatever reason.

Among white Americans, most Catholics, for examples Polish, Irish, Italian, etc. seemed to hold on to the other identity longer than others.

Also, based on race. If everyone calls your the Korean guy, and you're 3rd generation, you're more likely to continue to keep that as part of your identity, etc.
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