Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Those of us in Wyoming and the rest of the heartland have been condemned to four more years under a ruler who doesn't share our dreams, hopes, or values. The consensus is that Whites have been outvoted by other groups. This isn't likely to change.
But let's take comfort in the fact that we still live in a place where the vast majority of people have traditional American values. Unless you live in Teton County you can be proud of your friends and neighbors.
Here's what Obama did in Wyoming. For the state he had 28% of the vote.
For the counties (not in alphabetical order)
Note: these aren't final numbers but they should be close.
Park: 20%
Big Horn 16%
Sheridan 25%
Johnson 18%
Washakie 20%
Hot Springs 21%
Teton 55%
Fremont 32%
Sublette 18%
Natrona 28%
Converse 17%
Niobrara 16%
Lincoln 15%
Uinta 19%
Sweetwater 28%
Carbon 33%
Albany 46%
Laramie 36%
Platte 27%
Goshen 25%
Campbell, Crook, and Weston were all 12%.
However, Utah beat us as he only carried 25% of the vote there and several counties were single digit.
I remember the 64 election well when we were crushed. But we had hope for the future. The night before the election a movie actor made a speech on national television that electrified us. We started to talk about him in an almost serious way. His name was Ronald Reagan. But if he'd faced the demographics that Mitt Romney faced yesterday Jimmy Carter would have had a second term and there'd almost certainly still be a Soviet Union.
It's OK to cry. Cry for your lost freedom; cry for your lost country. But take heart that you live in one of the few last redoubts of virtue and honor.
I agree with the original poster and I would be Happy in Wyoming also despite what the next 4 years brings. Seems the real Americans are slowly disappearing but it is good to know there is one last good state.
For the benefit of myself as a naive non-American, and without wishing to start a debate on the subject, what exactly is it that Obama has done or that you expect him to do which will be detrimental to Wyoming or the US at large? By contrast, what is it you hoped/expected Romney to do differently? (I'm familiar with the general political demeanour of the two parties, but I'm particularly interested in what specific measures Obama/Romney engender your hopes or disdain?)
If you want the answers as to what he has done to Wyoming, we can answer that. If you want to know what he has done to the country, please post in the P&OC Forum.
First off, Wyoming is a free state, and by that, we enjoy more freedoms that most every state in the nation. Some of those freedoms are in jeopardy. First and foremost, he is threatening our rights under the second ammendment, the right to keep and bear arms. His agenda for a long period of time has been Gun Control, however, in his first term he stayed away from that but has said that if he gets re-elected, he's going to push for it. His first term was nothing more than working on a second term and now, he has no reason to hold back.
Wyoming supplies 60% of the Nations energy and a very large portion of that is Coal. He has stated that a priority of his is to eliminated Coal Fired Electrical Plants. Our schools are basically free to us (most) as they are paid for by energy tax to the nation. As such, we have some of the best schools in the nation. Should we start loosing a large portion of the energy tax, we start loosing funding to those schools. The money has got to come from some where, so do we now start up a State Income Tax? How about a large tax on our property? Maybe turn them all into private schools and if you want an education for your kids, start paying out of pocket?
Should coal mining go away, thousands of jobs go away from coal. Thousands of jobs to service that provides ancillary help to the coal mines, equipment mechanics, parts, buildings, fuel and oil for equipment, etc.... Then you also loose jobs in the service industry due to lack of workers buying grocerys, gas, household goods... You loose major railroad business. Sheridan, alone, runs 14 trains a day through the rails, loaded with coal and Sheridan's coal production is a very minor portion of the coal industry.
That is the 2 that are most important to me, and I am sure it's right up there on everybody's list.
Let's keep this discussion on how it effects Wyoming, or I will have to move the thread to the P&OC Forum.
If you want the answers as to what he has done to Wyoming, we can answer that. If you want to know what he has done to the country, please post in the P&OC Forum.
First off, Wyoming is a free state, and by that, we enjoy more freedoms that most every state in the nation. Some of those freedoms are in jeopardy. First and foremost, he is threatening our rights under the second ammendment, the right to keep and bear arms. His agenda for a long period of time has been Gun Control, however, in his first term he stayed away from that but has said that if he gets re-elected, he's going to push for it. His first term was nothing more than working on a second term and now, he has no reason to hold back.
Wyoming supplies 60% of the Nations energy and a very large portion of that is Coal. He has stated that a priority of his is to eliminated Coal Fired Electrical Plants. Our schools are basically free to us (most) as they are paid for by energy tax to the nation. As such, we have some of the best schools in the nation. Should we start loosing a large portion of the energy tax, we start loosing funding to those schools. The money has got to come from some where, so do we now start up a State Income Tax? How about a large tax on our property? Maybe turn them all into private schools and if you want an education for your kids, start paying out of pocket?
Should coal mining go away, thousands of jobs go away from coal. Thousands of jobs to service that provides ancillary help to the coal mines, equipment mechanics, parts, buildings, fuel and oil for equipment, etc.... Then you also loose jobs in the service industry due to lack of workers buying grocerys, gas, household goods... You loose major railroad business. Sheridan, alone, runs 14 trains a day through the rails, loaded with coal and Sheridan's coal production is a very minor portion of the coal industry.
That is the 2 that are most important to me, and I am sure it's right up there on everybody's list.
Let's keep this discussion on how it effects Wyoming, or I will have to move the thread to the P&OC Forum.
Ah thank you! I've been looking for tangible explanations over what swayed voters and these are exactly the sort of issues I was looking to find out about. On gun control I suppose that's a straightforward enough issue.
The coal mining question I can relate to in particular, Scotland used to be the Wyoming of Western Europe as regards coal production until a combination of a cheap flood of natural gas and an unsympathetic Government made mining uncompetitive overnight, leading to the destruction of the Scottish economy for a generation. (Approx. 1980 - 1995)
Which leads me to the natural follow on question as regards Wyoming. From doing some background reading, there appears to be some discussion over how much damage EPA/Obama regulations are capable of doing to Wyoming's coal industry by making coal less uncompetitive, versus how much the competition from cheaper natural gas fired power plants is the foremost reason that energy companies are switching fuel types for new plants. As a resident of Wyoming you'll be far better placed than I to hold a position on that.
However, as a hypothetical question, if Wyoming's coal industry was to significantly and rapidly decline in the near future, and it could be shown that the substantive reason for that decline was a rapid drop in the price of natural gas, would you vote for a political party that committed to subsidising the decline of in the industry in the short term so that Wyoming's economy got a chance to diversify, or would you regard such a catastrophe as being an inevitability of life that Government has no role intervening in?
Not cryin' in my beer with this; just ashamed that I live out here on the "leftist coast".
May start looking at Central or S. America........where essentially the steep price has already been paid in perfecting communism and socialism; we've only just begun to pay for heading that direction; monetarilly and socially. Becuase of the hard changing demographics of populous states and thier dirty cities: the take-over of national politics in this increasingly corrupt manner. The big blue screw has arrived!
The heartland and middle geographics of this country are being squeezed from the leftist coast out here, and the corrupt Notheast environments; the blue/red map illustrated that last night..................
Hang in there guys................stay as positive as ya' can wit your lives; all you got sometimes/no choice really.
All I'll rant, over the decision last night(I love Barrasso though!)
Take care!
Last edited by Goin'toasquarestate; 11-07-2012 at 06:53 PM..
Which leads me to the natural follow on question as regards Wyoming. From doing some background reading, there appears to be some discussion over how much damage EPA/Obama regulations are capable of doing to Wyoming's coal industry by making coal less uncompetitive, versus how much the competition from cheaper natural gas fired power plants is the foremost reason that energy companies are switching fuel types for new plants. As a resident of Wyoming you'll be far better placed than I to hold a position on that.
However, as a hypothetical question, if Wyoming's coal industry was to significantly and rapidly decline in the near future, and it could be shown that the substantive reason for that decline was a rapid drop in the price of natural gas, would you vote for a political party that committed to subsidising the decline of in the industry in the short term so that Wyoming's economy got a chance to diversify, or would you regard such a catastrophe as being an inevitability of life that Government has no role intervening in?
Eoin
As I said, those were the two big tickets, that directly effect Wyoming. There are hundreds of other reasons, but we'll stick with these.
I'm not sure if the gasification plants could handle a drastic increase in natural gas used as power and we certainly do not have power plants set up to utilize natural gas, so there would have to be a drastic remodel of several plants This would take a great deal of money and time. Your question was, would I vote for a political party that worked toward this end? No. I don't vote for a party, I vote for individuals that better the state. Never has a party been able to do it as a whole, but several times individuals have been able to steer in the right direction.
Subsidising anything, has seldom worked. Look at Methanol Fuel for our vehicles. Just a short time ago it took 6 gallons of diesel fuel farming the corn, to produce one gallon of methanol, so the government subsidised the plants to manufacture. Who one in that deal? Nobody that I know of.
I would vote for an individual that worked toward the goal of cleaner energy, but would never vote for an individual that things the way to do it is to shut down coal plants and force people to change.
On the coal train ("toxic dust") issues out here in Oregon and through our cities.....to satisfy our greeny-weanie sissy's: spray a tackifyer on the coal in the cars, at Ontario,OR train yard; at Oregon's cost of course!
Get me outta' here; 8 years baby!!!!!!!
Great conservative talk host out here of Lars Larson (real strait shooter), your local station may carry his evening national show @ 6pm. check out his .com; may have more opinion and area insight to the coal train issues 'round these-here parts.
have to go contribute to climate change by burnin' my family a few petite sirloins and taters on the grill! good-night guys.
Last edited by Goin'toasquarestate; 11-07-2012 at 06:43 PM..
I did cry...last night and this morning... now my hubby and I are moving into survival mode.
I wonder if Obama's policies will effect Wyoming's education departments. As many of you know I've been trying for years now to land a job there and recently applied for one with the dept of education... but haven't heard anything. I wonder if they were holding off on hiring until the election and seeing how the wind blew.... (figuratively :P). My hubby and I are really considering it's time to get out of Minnesota now that the amendments failed and it will be harder for Christians here in our state to stand up for our beliefs without discrimination (I've already been on the receiving end of a lot of discrimination and hate speech for my beliefs already these past few months, so I'm not imagining things).
Question..back to the guns.. has anyone started stockpiling weapons/ammo yet? What would you recommend (which would be the easiest to get ammo for down the road?)
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
