[Nemean]

Originally Posted by PHILLYUPTOWN

I don’t know the South that much but they (and probably will) easily have two black districts; one centered on Birmingham that stretches to the black areas around Montgomery and Tuskegee…and another in the “black belt” portion of the State…SW Alabama stretching to the black portions of Mobile.

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Uh, no. You're cutting through a massive white population to connect the black populations of Birmingham to Montgomery's. The white suburbs of Bham are towards the south and to the north for Montgomery. Plus, the white minority would be the most wealthy part of the state paired with the most politically powerful faction to the south. It'd be more de facto disenfranchising than the current map. Also, I don't it'd be possible. That's way too many people for one congressional district. Shelby, Chilton, Autauga and Elmore are pretty highly white counties that'd have to be included for that, and the population of those four are already at 425K and you'd still have to go through some pretty white areas to reach the black areas you're mentioning. (Unless you're talking about a really gerrymandered looking arc)

The entirety of the Black Belt counties have about 650K population/350K black at the widest definition (550K total /300K black at the normal definition)... and that's including Montgomery. It's not the "easy mode" granter for redistricting as one might hope it would be. The draining population is very reason Alabama's in the position it's in: the state was slowly grabbing the black population from nearby areas into its congressional district in order to maintain it as a political region and protect it as a black district. The rate at which it's shrinking, it really ran the risk of becoming a suburban white district with the wrong addition.

Even Birmingham's black population is shifting away from the traditionally black parts.

The real issue with Alabama redistricting is that by playing too loose with how the black population sits today to get two black districts, you could run the risk of having no black districts by the end of the decade by how the migration is shifting.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by mimpdaddy

Only when it goes against the narrative. Think about the great white flight (now I'm told was bad) vs gentrification (which is also bad evidently) now were back to segregation.

You failed high school history if you are defining segregation as giving representation to a group that it was previously kept from.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by Nemean

Uh, no. You're cutting through a massive white population to connect the black populations of Birmingham to Montgomery's. The white suburbs of Bham are towards the south and to the north for Montgomery. Plus, the white minority would be the most wealthy part of the state paired with the most politically powerful faction to the south. It'd be more de facto disenfranchising than the current map. Also, I don't it'd be possible. That's way too many people for one congressional district. Shelby, Chilton, Autauga and Elmore are pretty highly white counties that'd have to be included for that, and the population of those four are already at 425K and you'd still have to go through some pretty white areas to reach the black areas you're mentioning. (Unless you're talking about a really gerrymandered looking arc)

The entirety of the Black Belt counties have about 650K population/350K black at the widest definition (550K total /300K black at the normal definition)... and that's including Montgomery. It's not the "easy mode" granter for redistricting as one might hope it would be. The draining population is very reason Alabama's in the position it's in: the state was slowly grabbing the black population from nearby areas into its congressional district in order to maintain it as a political region and protect it as a black district. The rate at which it's shrinking, it really ran the risk of becoming a suburban white district with the wrong addition.

Even Birmingham's black population is shifting away from the traditionally black parts.

The real issue with Alabama redistricting is that by playing too loose with how the black population sits today to get two black districts, you could run the risk of having no black districts by the end of the decade by how the migration is shifting.

Well, the Special Master's map keeps the entire city of Birmingham together, so you dont have to worry about that.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by GreggT

True!
Segregation is alive and well for the 12.6%!

Black Americans have dealt with being segregated and excluded from the beginning. Actually, the 21st century is the most integrated Black Americans have ever been.

[GreggT]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

Black Americans have dealt with being segregated and excluded from the beginning. Actually, the 21st century is the most integrated Black Americans have ever been.

In this particular situation, among others, it seems to be by their own choosing!

[PHILLYUPTOWN]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Well, the Special Master's map keeps the entire city of Birmingham together, so you dont have to worry about that.

Right. The two districts have to only be 51% black. The city of Birmingham just enough to have a black majority. The region of Birmingham would have 2 seats. The other will be well off and Republican. The black belt just enough to have a black majority. If anything; the ~49% will be poor whities somewhere.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by GreggT

In this particular situation, among others, it seems to be by their own choosing!

No. This isn't about segregation. This is about Black voting power being diluted. It's math.

By the way, the most moved to place in Alabama among Black Americans is Huntsville. I should know, as I live in Huntsville. If Black Americans wanted to segregate themselves, they wouldn't be moving to Huntsville.

[GreggT]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

No. This isn't about segregation. This is about Black voting power being diluted. It's math.

By the way, the most moved to place in Alabama among Black Americans is Huntsville. I should know, as I live in Huntsville. If Black Americans wanted to segregate themselves, they wouldn't be moving to Huntsville.

If Black Americans didn't want to be segregated they would not be suing for their own voting districts!

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by GreggT

If Black Americans didn't want to be segregated they would not be suing for their own voting districts!

If Alabama didn't want to get sued, it wouldn't be gerrymandering to dilute Black voting power.

[MinivanDriver]

Originally Posted by GreggT

If Black Americans didn't want to be segregated they would not be suing for their own voting districts!

Gotta say it. Takes some mental gymnastics to twist an attempt to provide some kind of level playing for black voters into an attempt at segregation. I mean, even a majority conservative supreme court said, "Wow, that's completely unfair." Unanimously, I might add.